RATINGS UPDATE
May, 20 - Calculated ratings have been updated. Due to a lack of data for 2011/12, Draw Charges and Draw Fouls Tendencies have been reverted to the default ratings.
LUXTAX
May, 20 - Luxury tax for week 16 has been applied.
WEEK 16 PATCH IS UP
May, 14 - Good Luck to all teams still fighting for the playoffs, playoff positioning, or even draft position.
WEEK 16 INJURIES
Q4 PARTICIPATION
WEEK 15 PATCH IS UP
WEEK 15 INJURIES
WEEK 14 PATCH IS UP
INJURIES
NEW FAS
· Irving tops Morris in week 15 (1 comment)
· Netting the top spot (3 comments)
· Eastern Playoff Battle (6 comments)
· And Now For Something Different.... (5 comments)
· Not much changes for the novices
· How bout them Cavs? (1 comment)
· Radio Boys: ICU (11 comments)
| sheed36 | At least they will not tank their last game against NY |
| dunadan | well, Boston is out |
| tmacf13 | I still think Washington has a chance. |
| darko | my prediction, Orlando, Philly, Miami all end up 38-28. Boston and Indy dont make the playoffs, even if NY loses 3 straight. |
| vt | Indiana is worse than a rash right about now.... |
| sheed36 | I hope me or Celtics can make it. |
| rasho | I'm listening for three minutes now... is boyd drunk?? :D |
| magritte | Usually! |
| rasho | I'm listening for three minutes now... is boyd drunk?? :D |
| magritte | Mine took 3 months... |
| vt | bone bruises take awhile to heal |
| daved | "due to a bruised left tibia" - wow, 4 NLL weeks, 17 games from a bruise - thats one hell of a bruise - clearly this man is softer than I thought |
| laddas | yes! love the news! :) "Sore Calf" btw boys ;) |
| leeroy | come on guys.. Nic Batum seems more hurt to me ;) |
| Mavs4Life | As long as I get Parsons back I think I'll be ok. |
| nick | Wow i thought GSW were just trying to tank by shutting d.lee down... everything else seems reasonable though |
| djdrew | thanks for the reach around, boyd. i appreciate it buddy haha |
| juvenile404 | Yeah, I just think everyone has a different criteria for how they vote for MVP, which is fine. |
| magritte | Carmelo gets my vote. Very little help, but makes his team a winner. |
| nick | MVP has always had a shaky definition. But for me in a video game league, MVP = best player... since the intangibles that are taken into acount in NBA MVP (like making their teammates better, leadership, competitive drive) can't be taken into account for video games |
| badwolf | mvp from a team that might not be in the playoffs? he's the best player in nll this season without a doubt, but mvp? |
| nick | Your team has bosh and lawson... boston has nobody. it's not kobe's fault half his team is injured |
| juvenile404 | Kobe may be the most valuable player in 2k12, but doesn't add the most value to HIS team. I think Durant does that with my team. (Clearly, I am biased though. Lol) |
| nick | I will be voting for kobe for mvp personally... he's the most valuable player in 2k12, and deserves to go on record in the history books as such. |
| djdrew | JJ is making a run for the scoring title...watch out Kobe! lol |
| badwolf | Poor kove, superb season, but no real chance at mvp with his team's woes. |
| dunadan | deron has a long history of disappearing at the end of the NLL season |
| nick | :( |
| leeroy | http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7834605/agent-says-orlando-magic-dwight-howard-back-surgery sorry nick :( |
| Mavs4Life | Missing the playoffs by a two game flip or tie-breaker would suck, but it's likely to go down that way. |
| greenmig | Lee is not really hurt either. GS just tanking.. |
| nick | Well you're not alone, same thing might happen with dwight lol. we'll see. |
| laddas | Possibly... I know he's been carrying a cal injury since the all star break, missed games here and there for it.... Now it could quite possibly screw my season over lol! Here's hoping dre fills in nicely :) |
| nick | NJ in full tank mode i guess, i dont believe he's genuinely injured for a second, sucks for you laddas :( |
| sheed36 | Pacers will miss it for 2 games? I hope not |
| laddas | I just read Deron is likely done for the year.....just my luck. Better change those projected standings haha! |
| nick | I disagree that straight win% is more reliable than ExpWin%. In my mind ExpWin% is a more accurate reflection of a team's capability than their W/L record |
| laddas | Excellent write up! Though i really thought the Hawks would sneak into the 8, but the projection is close between 8th to 11th so it could be any of them i guess. I would be ecstatic to finish the season 39-27 btw! |
| greenmig | yer well w/o the modifiers which should be huge factors this is just pretty much predicting final standings as per current as its just a direct ratio up. using actual win% as of now should be your baseline not expwin%. S.O.S has to be incorporated & is simple to do. injury not so simple / almost impossible. |
| badwolf | yeah, it might be a bit to simplified, sos and injuries should factor in a lot, I'd use these modifiers - w/l ratio up to today (more reliable then exp win %, but basically the same thing), SOS before/after today, some kind of health modifier (both for win% till now and for win% till the end of season) |
| nick | I did consider incorporating schedule strength, but had to rush the article before dave went to bed. It would definitely make the projected standings better though |
| badwolf | well, if i can choose between NY, PHI and MIA..., I'd take NY due to their lack of inside presence... I really don't want to play Atlanta, they have our number |
| greenmig | Interesting analysis. However may I suggest that you consider a modifier which attempts to account for schedule strength. This modifier can be as simple as a ratio of the 'the schedule to date divided by the remaining schedule'. You could then apply this 'schedule modififer' by multiplying by your expW% or even better why not multiply it by a teams ACTUAL current % as this indicates real performance. You can pick the schedule strength data off my nll insider post quite easily. I had a bit of a look at this and the results are quite interesting - perhaps suggesting that especially out West we may see an interesting re-shuffle on the run-in. |
| greenmig | Interesting analysis. However may I suggest that you consider a modifier which attempts to account for schedule strength. This modifier can be as simple as a ratio of the 'the schedule to date divided by the remaining schedule'. You could then apply this 'schedule modififer' by multiplying by your expW% or even better why not multiply it by a teams ACTUAL current % as this indicates real performance. You can pick the schedule strength data off my nll insider post quite easily. I had a bit of a look at this and the results are quite interesting - perhaps suggesting that especially out West we may see an interesting re-shuffle on the run-in. |
| Mavs4Life | Aggh why are all the teams on the bubble in the West lol, I've gotta face a tougher schedule. We should do these at the start of the year to help predict how team's will do. |
| dazman32 | So it was our difficult schedule all along |
| nick | Cool |
| daved | nice article .... tbh I have always thought the term 'expected win %' misleading |
| badwolf | and on another side - nice to see the competition ahead is easir then so far :D |
| badwolf | oops, miami is another team - can't win against soild teams but is strong against weak teams... |
| badwolf | so toronto has a relatively bad result vs over .500 yet they're overachievers? % expected is stat related isn't it, and as such don't really tell much, just that the team is blowing out the competition |
| royal | I agree with Drummond and maybe Lillard as potential busts, but Rivers won't be a bust - people are focusing too much on his weaknesses and doesn't see that he does many things that should translate to NBA level pretty well. If he drops to end of lottery, mid 1st round, he'll be the steal of this draft. As for busts - I'd say Sullinger could be one. Partly because of his struggles against longer opponents, which he will have to overcome if he wants to be successful in the NBA, but mostly because of his health issues, especially a fact that screams red flag to me - he has one leg shorter than the other, which has a high possibility in turning into frequent injuries. |
| djdrew | note to teams drafting before i will : anthony davis sucks, is terrible, will be out of the league in 2 years, bigger bust potential than Drummond......STAY AWAY FROM THE UNIBROW O:-D hey I can try, can't I...... |
| nick | BTW, i agree with rivers and drummond being overhyped. Good call. I don't see the comparison between drummond and thabeet though at all |
| nick | I've never heard of 3 of the 4 guys you have pinned as sleepers, and i research prospects for a hobby, lol |
| badwolf | and rivers will bust, don't draft him ;) |
| badwolf | isn't 23/24 upper limit to get drafted? |
| WALLrus | yea, but she only changed 2 grammar things, I'm a decent proofreader but i wanted to make sure |
| vt | lol you said your mom helped you proofread this? how cute!;) |
| WALLrus | i hope I'm in boyds english class next year. he will be like " i wish u wrote as well in english class as you did in NLL" |
| laddas | Gotta agree with writeup on Drummond! He should have stayed in college! He's very talented but needs a lot of work still an staying in college would've helped big time. A shame really to see talent wasted for the money! |
| houndy | hopefully those sleeperes could turn into Leuer and Morris |
| vt | Thanks, Gs |
| juvenile404 | No way, fluuuke! Lol |
| greenmig | confirmation that the nll power rests in the west. |
| nick | Well done West! |
| vt | Yes- great work, MIL! |
| magritte | Well done!!!! |
| vt | Quality News #2, Qtr. 4 |
| proid | lol this was pretty funny. |
| vt | Quality News #1, Qtr. 4 |
| badwolf | lol, nice |
| vt | Quality News #1, Qtr. 4 |
| vt | Quality News #2, Qtr. 4 |
| vt | Quality News #2, Qtr. 4 |
| Mavs4Life | so small lol |
| vt | Quality News #3, Qtr. 4 |
| vt | Quality News #2, Qtr. 4 |
· [May. 15] Shelden Williams signs with the Washington Wizards for 1 year and $ 992,680. (11 comments)
· [May. 15] The Washington Wizards release Courtney Fortson into free-agency.
· [May. 07] Kyrylo Fesenko signs with the Charlotte Bobcats for 1 year and $ 473,604.
· [May. 07] The Charlotte Bobcats release Shelden Williams into free-agency.
· [May. 05] The New Orleans Hornets claim Jerry Stackhouse off waivers. (2 comments)
| daved | the whole point is washington lose nothing by doing it - if it helps it helps if not, meh |
| sheed36 | Williams is a jorneyman . He would never re-sign with any team |
| daved | daniel orton is lucky to step a foot on a NBA court |
| nick | Daniel Orton wasn't cheap depth? |
| daved | I think this is perfectly legit thinking!!! ... sheldon will be cheap depth - signing FAs is hard enough at the best of times not to mention when you have lost all season .... I think its a nice bit of planning tbh |
| nick | you are the weirdest gm ever |
| darko | Well i doubt ill be able to get any good free agents this offseason, so i have to do whatever i can to get some kind of talent on my bench. Plus his CBS ranking is 181, not that bad. I cut Courntney Fortson to make room, so i have nothing to lose with this move. |
| badwolf | it's shelden williams... |
| darko | Nah, planning for the future. If Williams resigns with nets he goes to an A and i have a shot as resigning him as a backup. |
| vt | he needs the attention. |
| sheed36 | LOL |
| Loose89 | dam it, i was hoping to get him after shumpert went down :( |
| nick | Pretty nifty. Stack has decent ratings |
The fans of this team should be the most upset with this season?
| GS |
| CHI |
| WAS |
| DET |
| SA |
Total Responses: 24
· [May. 15]
Williams Signing (11)
· [May. 02]
Brackins Signing (4)
· [May. 05]
Stackhouse Signing (2)
· [May. 03]
Wallace Signing (1)
· [Mar. 20]
Thornton Trade (17)
· [Apr. 19]
Almond Signing (1)
· [Apr. 18]
Collison Trade (14)
· [Apr. 13]
Samuels Trade (29)
· [Apr. 11]
Johnson Trade (10)
· [Apr. 10]
Thomas Signing (2)
· [Apr. 02]
Stackhouse Signing (1)
· [Mar. 31]
Livingston Trade (8)
· [Mar. 31]
Martin Signing (2)
· [Mar. 27]
Conley Trade (115)
· [Mar. 23]
Arenas Signing (19)
· [Mar. 25]
Balkman Waiving (1)
· [Mar. 25]
Azubuike Signing (1)
· [Mar. 23]
Foster Retirement (1)
· [Mar. 20]
Shumpert Trade (13)
· [Feb. 24]
Battier Trade (55)
· [Mar. 21]
Hughes Signing (10)
· [Mar. 11]
Mullens Trade (34)
· [Mar. 19]
Barbosa Trade (12)
· [Mar. 03]
Green Signing (20)
· [Mar. 17]
Thabeet Signing (3)
· [Mar. 16]
Turiaf Signing (5)
· [Mar. 14]
Brockman Signing (4)
· [Mar. 12]
Turiaf Signing (2)
· [Mar. 11]
Thompson Trade (2)
· [Mar. 10]
Anderson Trade (30)
· [Mar. 07]
Dalembert Trade (10)
· [Mar. 06]
Williams Signing (1)
· [Mar. 06]
Russell Signing (1)
· [Mar. 04]
Aldridge Trade (18)
· [Mar. 03]
Przybilla Signing (4)
· [Feb. 11]
Ilyasova Trade (9)
· [Feb. 16]
Nocioni Waiving (14)
· [Feb. 13]
Carroll Waiving (1)
· [Feb. 08]
Harrington Trade (17)
· [Feb. 09]
Brockman Signing (2)
· [Feb. 08]
Pondexter Trade (1)
· [Feb. 07]
Martin Signing (5)
· [Feb. 04]
Williams Trade (7)
· [Feb. 04]
Tinsley Signing (1)
· [Feb. 02]
Motiejunas Trade (10)
· [Feb. 01]
Radmanovic Waiving (2)
· [Jan. 29]
Brown Signing (12)
· [Jan. 25]
Jerebko Trade (30)
· [Jan. 29]
Cardinal Signing (1)
· [Jan. 28]
Jianlian Signing (4)
· [Jan. 25]
Pondexter Option (7)
· [Jan. 26]
Harris Signing (1)
· [Jan. 25]
Williams Option (5)
· [Jan. 25]
Cardinal Waiving (23)
· [Jan. 25]
McGuire Signing (1)
· [Jan. 24]
Vasquez Option (3)
· [Jan. 23]
Carter Signing (6)
· [Jan. 24]
Scalabrine Signing (2)
· [Jan. 24]
Johnson Signing (1)
· [Jan. 23]
Cardinal Waiving (4)
· [Jan. 22]
Wilkins Signing (5)
· [Jan. 20]
Williams Signing (8)
· [Jan. 20]
Gladness Signing (1)
· [Jan. 20]
Williams Signing (1)
· [Jan. 19]
Dunleavy Signing (6)
· [Jan. 19]
Battier Signing (11)
· [Jan. 18]
McGrady Signing (3)
· [Jan. 17]
Stiemsma Signing (6)
· [Jan. 17]
Crawford Signing (13)
· [Jan. 16]
Harrington Trade (13)
· [Jan. 17]
Garcia Signing (4)
· [Jan. 16]
Redick Signing (7)
· [Jan. 16]
Daniels Signing (1)
· [Jan. 14]
Butler Signing (12)
· [Jan. 15]
Wright Signing (4)
· [Jan. 15]
Dalembert Signing (1)
· [Jan. 13]
Summers Signing (3)
· [Jan. 12]
Jordan Signing (12)
· [Jan. 12]
Johnson Signing (3)
· [Jan. 12]
Hughes Signing (1)
· [Jan. 11]
Ilyasova Trade (3)
· [Jan. 10]
Garcia Waiving (13)
· [Jan. 11]
Battie Signing (1)
· [Jan. 07]
Turkoglu Trade (10)
· [Jan. 08]
Barbosa Trade (10)
· [Jan. 07]
Thornton Trade (13)
· [Jan. 07]
Williams Trade (18)
· [Jan. 04]
Oden Re-Signing (2)
· [Dec. 26]
Jerebko Trade (14)
· [Dec. 28]
Afflalo Re-Signing (1)
· [Dec. 26]
Nowitzki Trade (2)
· [Dec. 26]
Walton Re-Signing (2)
| daved | the whole point is washington lose nothing by doing it - if it helps it helps if not, meh |
| sheed36 | Williams is a jorneyman . He would never re-sign with any team |
| daved | daniel orton is lucky to step a foot on a NBA court |
| nick | Daniel Orton wasn't cheap depth? |
| daved | I think this is perfectly legit thinking!!! ... sheldon will be cheap depth - signing FAs is hard enough at the best of times not to mention when you have lost all season .... I think its a nice bit of planning tbh |
| nick | you are the weirdest gm ever |
| darko | Well i doubt ill be able to get any good free agents this offseason, so i have to do whatever i can to get some kind of talent on my bench. Plus his CBS ranking is 181, not that bad. I cut Courntney Fortson to make room, so i have nothing to lose with this move. |
| badwolf | it's shelden williams... |
| darko | Nah, planning for the future. If Williams resigns with nets he goes to an A and i have a shot as resigning him as a backup. |
| vt | he needs the attention. |
| sheed36 | LOL |
| djdrew | *wasn't |
| djdrew | yeah i mean, he's doing ok for u but for whatever reason loved the 3 ball for me....unfortunately he shot 3% on the year and i am not gonna resign him. |
| Mavs4Life | ? He peformed well starting and has been good with the minutes I'm giving him. |
| djdrew | lol |
| nick | Yeh but that has nothing to do with Orton lol |
| houndy | Because he's leading the league in rebounds.. |
| nick | Why WOULDN'T a tanking team pick up orton? He's young and he sucks |
| proid | The Nets swung and missed. |
| houndy | I tried, hence the question lol |
| darko | Yeah i thought he would end up on a playoff bound team, or someone close to getting in the playoffs. Also kind of curious how many teams tried to get him. |
| houndy | Why would a tanking team pick up Orton? I'm curious.. |
| Loose89 | dam it, i was hoping to get him after shumpert went down :( |
| nick | Pretty nifty. Stack has decent ratings |
| royal | don't know what everybody's so upset about, darko is clearly fighting for a better lottery spot and orton won't help them do that. And he really is garbage in the NBA and may be out of the league next year. |
| sheed36 | Wtf... ow someone already said that |
| pennywise | Wow, you're like the bball equivalent of the 49ers. Lets cut anyone thats helped our team :) |
| darko | The guy is garbage in the NBA, i doubt orlando will resign him. I have no use for him with McGee, Lopez, Mullens, and possibly Thabeet already on my roster. |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah releasing the league leading rebounder? |
| nick | wtf? |
| vt | you know you're bad off when this is exciting news. |
| daved | manu puts up the big numbers - if he is healthy there is still a shot at winning |
| nick | Do i regret this deal? Not really. I still want to win whether i have dwight or not. This deal improved my team. Dwight going down certainly does hurt though |
| darko | Now that Howard is out for the season, does that make you regret this deal? Tough situation though, you can never predict injuries, and who would have though Howard would go down. :( |
| greenmig | cos isaiah's better than those chumps? |
| pennywise | I don't know...I've seen 4 or 5 different lists and none of them had Lou Will or Thornton on them |
| nick | How is Isaiah Thomas on that list but not Marcus Thornton or Louis Williams? |
| pennywise | The article didn't have anyone over last year or 2...but yes Thornton could be added to that list. Also before the tail end of last year, Thornton was not doing much either. |
| pennywise | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/948188-the-best-second-round-draft-picks-of-the-past-decade-in-the-nba |
| smokey | Vt gets nearly 10 years younger at the 2 spot.....Manu will help nick now but only if he can stay healthy!! |
| daved | manu is a massive injury risk - he spends more time injured than not these days |
| greenmig | manu was a 2nd rnd pick 57 himself i believe...but i agree 2nd rnder's rarely turn into much... |
| nick | I'll have you know i drafted thornton in the 2nd round, Lou ;) |
| pennywise | overall, I feel that Philly got the better end of the trade. Manu has been injury riddled as of late, and may not get back into full form before the end of this season. See this article: http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/20/manu-expects-limits-to-playing-time-in-upcoming-grind/ - Aside from that, Manu is a NLL star and will immediately help out Denver this season. The potential of Thornton and Bayless allows Philly to compete now and continue to dominate in future seasons. The 2nd rounders are fillers/throw ins, as it is not very often that 2nd rounders produce well in the NBA...many dont even end up in the league. I expect to see bayless with a new team by the end of week 8. Depending on the return VT gets for Bayless, he could finish WAY AHEAD in this trade. |
| Mavs4Life | Denver gets an edge for now, but Philly has gotten two great young guys. Plus Philly really wanted to get rid of some cash, and the 2 mil isn't that bad. |
| greenmig | providing manu stays healthy denver gets the edge here as he is a proven nll superstar AND denver gets picks which surprises me a little. time will tell how thornton meshes in phily and also lets see what sort of haul gm vt lands with bayless... |
| Loose89 | decent trade for both teams, 76ers save some money and get younger while denver get a proven scorer and even more picks |
| greenmig | BLOCKBUSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!! |
| daved | manu puts up the big numbers - if he is healthy there is still a shot at winning |
| nick | Do i regret this deal? Not really. I still want to win whether i have dwight or not. This deal improved my team. Dwight going down certainly does hurt though |
| darko | Now that Howard is out for the season, does that make you regret this deal? Tough situation though, you can never predict injuries, and who would have though Howard would go down. :( |
| greenmig | cos isaiah's better than those chumps? |
| pennywise | I don't know...I've seen 4 or 5 different lists and none of them had Lou Will or Thornton on them |
| nick | How is Isaiah Thomas on that list but not Marcus Thornton or Louis Williams? |
| pennywise | The article didn't have anyone over last year or 2...but yes Thornton could be added to that list. Also before the tail end of last year, Thornton was not doing much either. |
| pennywise | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/948188-the-best-second-round-draft-picks-of-the-past-decade-in-the-nba |
| smokey | Vt gets nearly 10 years younger at the 2 spot.....Manu will help nick now but only if he can stay healthy!! |
| daved | manu is a massive injury risk - he spends more time injured than not these days |
| greenmig | manu was a 2nd rnd pick 57 himself i believe...but i agree 2nd rnder's rarely turn into much... |
| nick | I'll have you know i drafted thornton in the 2nd round, Lou ;) |
| pennywise | overall, I feel that Philly got the better end of the trade. Manu has been injury riddled as of late, and may not get back into full form before the end of this season. See this article: http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/20/manu-expects-limits-to-playing-time-in-upcoming-grind/ - Aside from that, Manu is a NLL star and will immediately help out Denver this season. The potential of Thornton and Bayless allows Philly to compete now and continue to dominate in future seasons. The 2nd rounders are fillers/throw ins, as it is not very often that 2nd rounders produce well in the NBA...many dont even end up in the league. I expect to see bayless with a new team by the end of week 8. Depending on the return VT gets for Bayless, he could finish WAY AHEAD in this trade. |
| Mavs4Life | Denver gets an edge for now, but Philly has gotten two great young guys. Plus Philly really wanted to get rid of some cash, and the 2 mil isn't that bad. |
| greenmig | providing manu stays healthy denver gets the edge here as he is a proven nll superstar AND denver gets picks which surprises me a little. time will tell how thornton meshes in phily and also lets see what sort of haul gm vt lands with bayless... |
| Loose89 | decent trade for both teams, 76ers save some money and get younger while denver get a proven scorer and even more picks |
| greenmig | BLOCKBUSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!! |
| nick | Got my boy. I was high on Almond 3 years ago. Good to see him getting a second chance. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/wizards-morris-almond-excited-to-get-second-shot/2012/04/18/gIQANKnVQT_blog.html?wprss=rss_wizards-insider |
| badwolf | speights has potential? and i agree on picks... |
| daved | hehe - real world is what matters! ... obviously long term speights has the potential to be far better, my biggest problem with him is he's more a shooter, while ivan likes going to the rim more - nothing like a good rim job *walks away from thread* |
| Mavs4Life | Can bring in real world stats when we're playing 2K12 lol if Hedo can play center and score 20 Speights can give me what Ivan was doing |
| daved | NBA today ... marreese: 15 min, 2 pts, 3 rebs, 1/4 FGs ... ivan: 33 min, 16 pts, 10 rebs, 6/10 FGs ... ivan, an oldie but a goodie ... now I just need to nobble jordan crawford so the Was pick comes good :D |
| daved | when i'm holding the championship trophy aloft we'll all look back on this moment .... and if I don't we'll forget it ever happened, ok |
| greenmig | this strikes me as a deal made to strengthen NO's tilt at the Title NOW. I can see what he is trying to do. But I too agree that giving up on Speights may prove costly in future. As for the 1st vs the 2nd I wouldn't be surprised to see WAS make a late as per previous years so his 2nd may not be that good, but agreed anything outside the draft lottery is basically a crap shoot. |
| daved | I don't rip n00bs off :D ...... I consider Ivan to have some value and am losing faith in Speights to continue to emerge ... and I think this season Kidd could help me considerably (good D and if everyone stays fit I just want him to give the ball to Amare and Ray), Collison isn't anywhere near the defender and I have benched him anyway ... I don't really care about Delifino, he makes up salary ... the 1st - well hopefully I'll keep doing well and it will be very late 1st and Washington can tank a bit and make their 2nd an early one, so only a few players down the draft (all luck when you get that far) |
| nick | Mind boggling trade for my boy dave d... i wouldn't give even just collison for kidd let alone collison + speights + 1st rounder... NOH gave up rondo for collison too, ouchies! |
| Mavs4Life | Don't forget Ivan!! If he stays in the league he could really help NO |
| houndy | I mean on a tighter analysis, Delfino gives him help with the 3, Speights can start at Center, and Collison is real good starting at the 1 |
| magritte | A Boston massacre |
| houndy | Helluva deal for my boy Boston |
| badwolf | Wow deal for boston... All that for kidd? |
| darko | Good deal for boston if Collison isnt out for much longer. |
| badwolf | speights has potential? and i agree on picks... |
| daved | hehe - real world is what matters! ... obviously long term speights has the potential to be far better, my biggest problem with him is he's more a shooter, while ivan likes going to the rim more - nothing like a good rim job *walks away from thread* |
| Mavs4Life | Can bring in real world stats when we're playing 2K12 lol if Hedo can play center and score 20 Speights can give me what Ivan was doing |
| daved | NBA today ... marreese: 15 min, 2 pts, 3 rebs, 1/4 FGs ... ivan: 33 min, 16 pts, 10 rebs, 6/10 FGs ... ivan, an oldie but a goodie ... now I just need to nobble jordan crawford so the Was pick comes good :D |
| daved | when i'm holding the championship trophy aloft we'll all look back on this moment .... and if I don't we'll forget it ever happened, ok |
| greenmig | this strikes me as a deal made to strengthen NO's tilt at the Title NOW. I can see what he is trying to do. But I too agree that giving up on Speights may prove costly in future. As for the 1st vs the 2nd I wouldn't be surprised to see WAS make a late as per previous years so his 2nd may not be that good, but agreed anything outside the draft lottery is basically a crap shoot. |
| daved | I don't rip n00bs off :D ...... I consider Ivan to have some value and am losing faith in Speights to continue to emerge ... and I think this season Kidd could help me considerably (good D and if everyone stays fit I just want him to give the ball to Amare and Ray), Collison isn't anywhere near the defender and I have benched him anyway ... I don't really care about Delifino, he makes up salary ... the 1st - well hopefully I'll keep doing well and it will be very late 1st and Washington can tank a bit and make their 2nd an early one, so only a few players down the draft (all luck when you get that far) |
| nick | Mind boggling trade for my boy dave d... i wouldn't give even just collison for kidd let alone collison + speights + 1st rounder... NOH gave up rondo for collison too, ouchies! |
| Mavs4Life | Don't forget Ivan!! If he stays in the league he could really help NO |
| houndy | I mean on a tighter analysis, Delfino gives him help with the 3, Speights can start at Center, and Collison is real good starting at the 1 |
| magritte | A Boston massacre |
| houndy | Helluva deal for my boy Boston |
| badwolf | Wow deal for boston... All that for kidd? |
| darko | Good deal for boston if Collison isnt out for much longer. |
| darko | Wow i cant believe only 1 team tried to get him, considering he was an important part of my championship run. |
| darko | Is he gunna bump Caron Butler out of the starting shooting guard slot? :D |
| sheed36 | Feel sorry for Lakers didn't expect that |
| darko | And just like that Davis goes down. Orton might start at center monday night for the magic. :D |
| nick | Not much to say about this. Seems fair. |
| darko | Nice trade for Indy. Davis has been having a terrible year, but has been doing really well lately. |
| sheed36 | Feel sorry for Lakers didn't expect that |
| darko | And just like that Davis goes down. Orton might start at center monday night for the magic. :D |
| nick | Not much to say about this. Seems fair. |
| darko | Nice trade for Indy. Davis has been having a terrible year, but has been doing really well lately. |
| Loose89 | The supposed bust goes 8-16 22 pts 11 rebs against title contenders OKC... |
| sheed36 | LOL |
| vt | This trade will be obsolete in the next day or two when GS trades everyone involved. |
| laddas | 29mpg 22ppg 7.5rpg 4bpg .642FG% That's Randolph's last 2 without klove..... Not bad. He's also playing with a PER of 18.83 for the YEAR! Maybe he's a bit better than I thought lol. Just needs a chance. Despite being in the league for almost 5 seasons he's still only 22..... Another jermaine oneal in the making??? Could be.... |
| nick | 10 pts, 10 rebs and 2 blks for samuels today in nba |
| nick | I still think Randolph can break out given the right circumstance.... whenever he's given minutes in the NBA, he produces... |
| juvenile404 | seconding that badwolf |
| badwolf | there is a reason why orton leads the league in rebounds - he's playing 38 minutes, his team has tons of missed shots and next best rebounder is Novak and Darko is leaving McGee on the bench |
| tmacf13 | Gotcha. I'm referring to NBA, not NLL. When Daniel Orton can lead the league in rebounds, there are no such things as busts here. And when guys like Anthony Randolph are equal or even better than chandler and Jordan, you know we have a basketball masterpiece on our hands! |
| proid | What I was implying is that a so called "Bust" status doesn't really mean much for an NLL player. Especially for "Bigs" Randolph has always had and will probably continue to have shooting ratings all in the 70's and up. A good vertical, solid defense, slightly average or higher and very fast for a big means he is rated better in the areas that count than High profile players like Tyson Chandler and D. Jordan that essentially have the same skill set but cost 10x's more. I distinctly remember Jermain O'Neal being labeled a bust for about 3-4 years before he broke out when plugged into the right system. |
| tmacf13 | Paying a player tons of money doesn't remove the bust label. Kwame was the #1 pick and never played like it. Just because a team overpaid for him doesn't mean he's not a total bust. But if Kwame can get that type of cash , then randolph is due for a big one too I guess. |
| proid | I can't really agree with the "Bust" label when Kwame Brown is still drawing checks for 7 million a year. There is still hope for Randolph yet :) |
| WALLrus | trevor your right. that was a general statement i mad. if he gets in a system that in 100% committed to him is a starting PF and all the things off the court with him also. that won't be with the wolves in the nba and his loyalty will go to an F when he doesnt resign in minny |
| tmacf13 | Ezra, if you really believed that then you wouldn't have traded him! The guy is a bust. But with that said, he's a very good 2K player. |
| royal | if CHA would be contending for play-offs this year then this wouldn't be that bad, because Randolph really is great on 2k this year, but you just can't count on that he will be good next year also, because a lot can change like his ratings, the sliders we use and the fact that he could end up out of the league. |
| badwolf | He was on what, 4 teams and was bad on each of them. There's always a Chance and there are ppl that still believe he is the next Magic. Thete are plenty of solid prospects in late lottery, teens where utah might end. |
| WALLrus | for sure if randolph gets in the right circumstance he will flourish. he is a very good player. its just not working out in minny |
| Loose89 | A team would be stupid not to pick Randolph up, the only reason he hasn't had much gametime is because he's behind the best power forward in the league. He's not a scrub, in the games where he's had significant gametime he's made an impact, he's shown glimpses of how good he can be all he needs is gametime |
| royal | I doubt Randolph will ever flourish in the NBA, because he's been in the league for 4 years now and played under 4 different head coaches and still hasn't found his place. He may be a great NLL player, but will there be a team in the league that will give him another chance and offer him a contract? |
| Loose89 | What proid said. Also, i've been looking at prospects in the draft and unfortutely there aren't many players to chose from in the positions I need and as a result I have no idea who to pick up, despite reading up quite a bit on Draftnet and other draft sites. I also felt that Randolph has a significantly higher ceiling the Samuels and Douglas and when he gets more time in the NBA I feel he will flourish (I've also been a fan of his since his GSW days.) and he will also give me good depth with Anderson at the PF position. |
| proid | Also gauging potential deals on how many points a guy scores in the NBA is a good way to miss out on a great NLL player. Their ratings are based more on their per 36 min numbers rather than their actual game time numbers. Randolphs ratings are great for a player at his experience level because he is productive with the few mins he does get. |
| proid | Considering Randolph's last 2 games in Love's absence and the fact that he is a restricted FA means that even if he left Minny the Cats would still be able to keep him on probably a reasonable possibly longterm deal. Plus he is an upgrade over Samuels in regards to Speed and Defense which are bonus' for PF's. GS is getting some nice pieces that he can include in the rebuilding plan or flip for more established players later. Its a pretty even deal the way I look at it. |
| darko | Yeah i was interested in randolph but not a lot since he only averages 5 ppg in the nba. i only offered possibly milwaukees 1st and thats it. Nice job of Gstate getting a lot more back. |
| royal | not sure what CHA is thinking here, Randolph really could be out of the league next year, but if he still is, he probably won't stay in Minny, which should make his loyalty F and Charlotte will have to get lucky to keep him. On the other hand, great trade for GS. he may have two lottery picks now, if Utah doesn't get into play-offs and also Samuels isn't a bad prospect either |
| laddas | Hmmmm maybe if it was my first rounder....? IDK about this one Loose. I'm sure you have a plan though... WALLrus, nice man... nice :) |
| vt | Wallrus- the first was just okay. This one was "highway robbery" as Greenmig puts it. I wish the newer GMs would bounce these deals off vets before pulling the trigger. Especially now that Utah is nose-diving that pick will have value and Randolph is like a third stringer in the NBA. |
| badwolf | Wow, magic is worth that much? |
| WALLrus | yes, 2 in a row VT approves of |
| vt | I think CHA got jacked in this one. Will Anthony Randolph even be in the league next year?! |
| Loose89 | The supposed bust goes 8-16 22 pts 11 rebs against title contenders OKC... |
| sheed36 | LOL |
| vt | This trade will be obsolete in the next day or two when GS trades everyone involved. |
| laddas | 29mpg 22ppg 7.5rpg 4bpg .642FG% That's Randolph's last 2 without klove..... Not bad. He's also playing with a PER of 18.83 for the YEAR! Maybe he's a bit better than I thought lol. Just needs a chance. Despite being in the league for almost 5 seasons he's still only 22..... Another jermaine oneal in the making??? Could be.... |
| nick | 10 pts, 10 rebs and 2 blks for samuels today in nba |
| nick | I still think Randolph can break out given the right circumstance.... whenever he's given minutes in the NBA, he produces... |
| juvenile404 | seconding that badwolf |
| badwolf | there is a reason why orton leads the league in rebounds - he's playing 38 minutes, his team has tons of missed shots and next best rebounder is Novak and Darko is leaving McGee on the bench |
| tmacf13 | Gotcha. I'm referring to NBA, not NLL. When Daniel Orton can lead the league in rebounds, there are no such things as busts here. And when guys like Anthony Randolph are equal or even better than chandler and Jordan, you know we have a basketball masterpiece on our hands! |
| proid | What I was implying is that a so called "Bust" status doesn't really mean much for an NLL player. Especially for "Bigs" Randolph has always had and will probably continue to have shooting ratings all in the 70's and up. A good vertical, solid defense, slightly average or higher and very fast for a big means he is rated better in the areas that count than High profile players like Tyson Chandler and D. Jordan that essentially have the same skill set but cost 10x's more. I distinctly remember Jermain O'Neal being labeled a bust for about 3-4 years before he broke out when plugged into the right system. |
| tmacf13 | Paying a player tons of money doesn't remove the bust label. Kwame was the #1 pick and never played like it. Just because a team overpaid for him doesn't mean he's not a total bust. But if Kwame can get that type of cash , then randolph is due for a big one too I guess. |
| proid | I can't really agree with the "Bust" label when Kwame Brown is still drawing checks for 7 million a year. There is still hope for Randolph yet :) |
| WALLrus | trevor your right. that was a general statement i mad. if he gets in a system that in 100% committed to him is a starting PF and all the things off the court with him also. that won't be with the wolves in the nba and his loyalty will go to an F when he doesnt resign in minny |
| tmacf13 | Ezra, if you really believed that then you wouldn't have traded him! The guy is a bust. But with that said, he's a very good 2K player. |
| royal | if CHA would be contending for play-offs this year then this wouldn't be that bad, because Randolph really is great on 2k this year, but you just can't count on that he will be good next year also, because a lot can change like his ratings, the sliders we use and the fact that he could end up out of the league. |
| badwolf | He was on what, 4 teams and was bad on each of them. There's always a Chance and there are ppl that still believe he is the next Magic. Thete are plenty of solid prospects in late lottery, teens where utah might end. |
| WALLrus | for sure if randolph gets in the right circumstance he will flourish. he is a very good player. its just not working out in minny |
| Loose89 | A team would be stupid not to pick Randolph up, the only reason he hasn't had much gametime is because he's behind the best power forward in the league. He's not a scrub, in the games where he's had significant gametime he's made an impact, he's shown glimpses of how good he can be all he needs is gametime |
| royal | I doubt Randolph will ever flourish in the NBA, because he's been in the league for 4 years now and played under 4 different head coaches and still hasn't found his place. He may be a great NLL player, but will there be a team in the league that will give him another chance and offer him a contract? |
| Loose89 | What proid said. Also, i've been looking at prospects in the draft and unfortutely there aren't many players to chose from in the positions I need and as a result I have no idea who to pick up, despite reading up quite a bit on Draftnet and other draft sites. I also felt that Randolph has a significantly higher ceiling the Samuels and Douglas and when he gets more time in the NBA I feel he will flourish (I've also been a fan of his since his GSW days.) and he will also give me good depth with Anderson at the PF position. |
| proid | Also gauging potential deals on how many points a guy scores in the NBA is a good way to miss out on a great NLL player. Their ratings are based more on their per 36 min numbers rather than their actual game time numbers. Randolphs ratings are great for a player at his experience level because he is productive with the few mins he does get. |
| proid | Considering Randolph's last 2 games in Love's absence and the fact that he is a restricted FA means that even if he left Minny the Cats would still be able to keep him on probably a reasonable possibly longterm deal. Plus he is an upgrade over Samuels in regards to Speed and Defense which are bonus' for PF's. GS is getting some nice pieces that he can include in the rebuilding plan or flip for more established players later. Its a pretty even deal the way I look at it. |
| darko | Yeah i was interested in randolph but not a lot since he only averages 5 ppg in the nba. i only offered possibly milwaukees 1st and thats it. Nice job of Gstate getting a lot more back. |
| royal | not sure what CHA is thinking here, Randolph really could be out of the league next year, but if he still is, he probably won't stay in Minny, which should make his loyalty F and Charlotte will have to get lucky to keep him. On the other hand, great trade for GS. he may have two lottery picks now, if Utah doesn't get into play-offs and also Samuels isn't a bad prospect either |
| laddas | Hmmmm maybe if it was my first rounder....? IDK about this one Loose. I'm sure you have a plan though... WALLrus, nice man... nice :) |
| vt | Wallrus- the first was just okay. This one was "highway robbery" as Greenmig puts it. I wish the newer GMs would bounce these deals off vets before pulling the trigger. Especially now that Utah is nose-diving that pick will have value and Randolph is like a third stringer in the NBA. |
| badwolf | Wow, magic is worth that much? |
| WALLrus | yes, 2 in a row VT approves of |
| vt | I think CHA got jacked in this one. Will Anthony Randolph even be in the league next year?! |
| magritte | 100% |
| dunadan | Whoops. I meant calderon of course :) |
| dunadan | What are the odds the jet still plays for thunder at the start of next season? |
| Mavs4Life | I think that thus deal only helps TOR's rise in the East, and Calderon could help OKC, just in other ways than Terry. |
| Loose89 | Great pickup for both teams |
| pennywise | this deal does not make the raptors the favorite in the East...Tor is a great team, and this makes them better, but I still think that Cle/Mil/Phi/NJ are the best out east. I will say that this puts them in a more solid discussion, and with the parity, any of these 5 teams could get to the finals! |
| darko | I like the deal for Toronto, just wonder where terry will get his minutes. 10 minutes isnt enough for him, and id have him at least share minutes with lawson 50/50. But with Durant and Richardson he might be better off the bench. Terry seemed to be more key to my championship run at PG rather than SG. |
| WALLrus | i see why OKC would do this deal, i don't think it helps them this year but will next year. i think this deal makes Toronto the favorite in a strong Eastern Conference |
| magritte | Calderon is exactly the kind of playmaker I am looking for for next season and I didn't want to have terry leave without getting a good player. Let's face it, with my record, free agents will be hard to get and now the core of the team I want is in place for next year. |
| juvenile404 | Actually, Calderon is a much better passer and facilitator in this game than is Terry. Not only that, Calderon is having a great year in the NBA and his CBS Rank is higher than Terry's. OKC wanted Calderon's passing ability. I have Lawson leading the league in assists, and I could use Terry's scoring, plus I do like the fact that his deal is expiring rather than having to hold on to Calderon another year. I think the trade serves each team's purpose well enough. |
| royal | I don't get this trade for okc. Wouldn't it be better to keep Terry this season and let him go after the end of it and just start to build different squad in off-season than get a lesser player, whose contract runs for an extra year? |
| laddas | Ok... Greeny, i think you can call this one ;) |
| magritte | 100% |
| dunadan | Whoops. I meant calderon of course :) |
| dunadan | What are the odds the jet still plays for thunder at the start of next season? |
| Mavs4Life | I think that thus deal only helps TOR's rise in the East, and Calderon could help OKC, just in other ways than Terry. |
| Loose89 | Great pickup for both teams |
| pennywise | this deal does not make the raptors the favorite in the East...Tor is a great team, and this makes them better, but I still think that Cle/Mil/Phi/NJ are the best out east. I will say that this puts them in a more solid discussion, and with the parity, any of these 5 teams could get to the finals! |
| darko | I like the deal for Toronto, just wonder where terry will get his minutes. 10 minutes isnt enough for him, and id have him at least share minutes with lawson 50/50. But with Durant and Richardson he might be better off the bench. Terry seemed to be more key to my championship run at PG rather than SG. |
| WALLrus | i see why OKC would do this deal, i don't think it helps them this year but will next year. i think this deal makes Toronto the favorite in a strong Eastern Conference |
| magritte | Calderon is exactly the kind of playmaker I am looking for for next season and I didn't want to have terry leave without getting a good player. Let's face it, with my record, free agents will be hard to get and now the core of the team I want is in place for next year. |
| juvenile404 | Actually, Calderon is a much better passer and facilitator in this game than is Terry. Not only that, Calderon is having a great year in the NBA and his CBS Rank is higher than Terry's. OKC wanted Calderon's passing ability. I have Lawson leading the league in assists, and I could use Terry's scoring, plus I do like the fact that his deal is expiring rather than having to hold on to Calderon another year. I think the trade serves each team's purpose well enough. |
| royal | I don't get this trade for okc. Wouldn't it be better to keep Terry this season and let him go after the end of it and just start to build different squad in off-season than get a lesser player, whose contract runs for an extra year? |
| laddas | Ok... Greeny, i think you can call this one ;) |
| nick | Hey, why not |
| Loose89 | Good deal for both teams. OKC needed to ship 1 of their 700 Pg's and they pick up Miller who can be alright when hes not injured and Q Rich, while Orlando pick up a good backup PG for Deron |
| magritte | Thanks Daz, but I have my 13 guys now - can relax til next season! |
| dazman32 | Well if you really want contracts extending into next year, Childress is available! |
| WALLrus | andre is going everywhere this year, good deal magic |
| Mavs4Life | Not bad for either team,seeing as how all 3 will come off the bench. |
| laddas | Yeah I loved what miller brought in the game but his health is always an issue and dre is the perfect guy IMO to backup deron :D |
| magritte | Great deal for Orlando! Get a big upgrade at backup PG and the contract expires after the season. I desperately needed people with contracts extending into next year and these two guys are serviceable bench players at SG and SF if they happen to be healthy.... |
| nick | Hey, why not |
| Loose89 | Good deal for both teams. OKC needed to ship 1 of their 700 Pg's and they pick up Miller who can be alright when hes not injured and Q Rich, while Orlando pick up a good backup PG for Deron |
| magritte | Thanks Daz, but I have my 13 guys now - can relax til next season! |
| dazman32 | Well if you really want contracts extending into next year, Childress is available! |
| WALLrus | andre is going everywhere this year, good deal magic |
| Mavs4Life | Not bad for either team,seeing as how all 3 will come off the bench. |
| laddas | Yeah I loved what miller brought in the game but his health is always an issue and dre is the perfect guy IMO to backup deron :D |
| magritte | Great deal for Orlando! Get a big upgrade at backup PG and the contract expires after the season. I desperately needed people with contracts extending into next year and these two guys are serviceable bench players at SG and SF if they happen to be healthy.... |
| daved | the pick may well be hte last of the draft the way toronto is going, so not that much value there ... 15 pts, mmmm, maybe a few too many, but nothing outrageous |
| greenmig | Nice deal. Can Iggy shoulder the scoring load in MIA? I like Kleiza too. I think for POR JJ may make Wall a better player. |
| pennywise | personally, the only things I think could have gone differently would be that Mia gave Port GM pts and the 2nd rounder not be included....Iggy and JJ are close in value, but the edge is definitely in JJ favor on 2k |
| nick | *woops i mean portland |
| nick | I don't see why miami had to include a 2nd rounder and all those gm pts... i prefer iggy personally |
| Mavs4Life | Niiice job POR, I really like this trade for both teams though. |
| houndy | Looks good imo |
| tmacf13 | JJ is a beast in the game and his ratings are going up. He's definitely fun to have. |
| djdrew | I understand the concerns people may have with JJ's salary. I have discussed this deal a great deal with my mentor and I feel like with a few other saavy moves in the offseason, my team can contend for a playoff spot + more as soon as next season. I do not want to solely rely on a bunch of young guns. JJ gives me a more legit 2-guard and Gomes will fill the void (???) left by Kleiza. |
| tmacf13 | Will be interesting to see what people think of this. JJ is the better 2k player, no doubt. CBS ranks are close. The $$$ was a big factor for me. |
| daved | the pick may well be hte last of the draft the way toronto is going, so not that much value there ... 15 pts, mmmm, maybe a few too many, but nothing outrageous |
| greenmig | Nice deal. Can Iggy shoulder the scoring load in MIA? I like Kleiza too. I think for POR JJ may make Wall a better player. |
| pennywise | personally, the only things I think could have gone differently would be that Mia gave Port GM pts and the 2nd rounder not be included....Iggy and JJ are close in value, but the edge is definitely in JJ favor on 2k |
| nick | *woops i mean portland |
| nick | I don't see why miami had to include a 2nd rounder and all those gm pts... i prefer iggy personally |
| Mavs4Life | Niiice job POR, I really like this trade for both teams though. |
| houndy | Looks good imo |
| tmacf13 | JJ is a beast in the game and his ratings are going up. He's definitely fun to have. |
| djdrew | I understand the concerns people may have with JJ's salary. I have discussed this deal a great deal with my mentor and I feel like with a few other saavy moves in the offseason, my team can contend for a playoff spot + more as soon as next season. I do not want to solely rely on a bunch of young guns. JJ gives me a more legit 2-guard and Gomes will fill the void (???) left by Kleiza. |
| tmacf13 | Will be interesting to see what people think of this. JJ is the better 2k player, no doubt. CBS ranks are close. The $$$ was a big factor for me. |
| vt | Yeah I wanted him too but I had to wait 24hrs to clear Bayless off my roster. |
| nick | Damn i had no idea kurt was even on waivers |
| WALLrus | we also had ellington 4 five gm points, but it was postponed because i would have 16 players |
| vt | you can thank boyd for driving up his value in the beginning of the year |
| badwolf | Cole had a lot of hype at the beginning of the year, but now he's more or less a scrub... Solid trade for both |
| nick | Interesting trade.... It's a gamble for both teams, be interesting to see how it pans out |
| laddas | Wow! Nice work golden state! Really like the deal for both teams, but good to see a good trade for GS |
| pennywise | Cory joseph and 2 2nd round picks...( Clev 1st is practically a 2nd) for Cole....Great trade for both teams...Det gets picks and GS gets a better pg....gs still has 4 draft picks too, so they give up areas they can afford to lose!!! |
| vt | Never thought i would say this: good deal for GS (after 500 tries) |
| Mavs4Life | Why DET? CLE top in the East and other than recently added Rudy Gya, Cole's your best player. |
| WALLrus | we also had ellington 4 five gm points, but it was postponed because i would have 16 players |
| vt | you can thank boyd for driving up his value in the beginning of the year |
| badwolf | Cole had a lot of hype at the beginning of the year, but now he's more or less a scrub... Solid trade for both |
| nick | Interesting trade.... It's a gamble for both teams, be interesting to see how it pans out |
| laddas | Wow! Nice work golden state! Really like the deal for both teams, but good to see a good trade for GS |
| pennywise | Cory joseph and 2 2nd round picks...( Clev 1st is practically a 2nd) for Cole....Great trade for both teams...Det gets picks and GS gets a better pg....gs still has 4 draft picks too, so they give up areas they can afford to lose!!! |
| vt | Never thought i would say this: good deal for GS (after 500 tries) |
| Mavs4Life | Why DET? CLE top in the East and other than recently added Rudy Gya, Cole's your best player. |
| royal | You're going to trade him to Toronto? :D |
| daved | Don't kid yourselves, Kman was the best piece in this trade - and now he's on his way to a championship ring |
| alejandro | I had serious reservations about making this deal back then, I didn't feel like it was lopsided at all and was not willing to do it without the pick. Then again you have to keep in mind that Kaman is great when he actually plays, Ibaka had amounted to very little and the pick was projected to be a late 1st. It's funny that it almost didn't happen. |
| badwolf | the price seems way off ;) i know you offered something to me, but if you'd dangle the name ibaka around ;) |
| Loose89 | I would do the same thing as magritte if I ever coached, played ball or were friends with an nba player, i would HAVE to have him in my team |
| magritte | Nobody really putting my nose in it - we discussed this when the deal was made - I coached Nolan when he was in middle school so I made it clear that I would pay dearly for him to be on my team - we all knew it was not a good deal for my team in terms of talent, but i'd do it again tomorrow - sometimes you have to be willing to have a bad team in your free, simulated fantasy basketball league - haha |
| nick | Jeez i saw 'Ibaka trade' trending and for a second there i thought cleveland actually traded ibaka... yes this looks mighty silly for OKC especially since they took on almost 9 mil in salary too! but hey, it's in the past now |
| sheed36 | LOL "this was a deal for my heart not for the talent!" someone understand me LOL |
| pennywise | wow...ppl going thru the archives to put ppl's nose in it!! |
| magritte | Let's not kid ourselves, we all knew this trade was horrible for me! But I needed to have Nolan - I was able to use Kamen in a roundabout way to get Z-Bo, so that's not bad, but this was a deal for my heart not for the talent! |
| dunadan | this trade from last year is starting to look real bad for the thunder. the cavs made out with ibaka and what looks like a lottery pick right now. |
| royal | You're going to trade him to Toronto? :D |
| daved | Don't kid yourselves, Kman was the best piece in this trade - and now he's on his way to a championship ring |
| alejandro | I had serious reservations about making this deal back then, I didn't feel like it was lopsided at all and was not willing to do it without the pick. Then again you have to keep in mind that Kaman is great when he actually plays, Ibaka had amounted to very little and the pick was projected to be a late 1st. It's funny that it almost didn't happen. |
| badwolf | the price seems way off ;) i know you offered something to me, but if you'd dangle the name ibaka around ;) |
| Loose89 | I would do the same thing as magritte if I ever coached, played ball or were friends with an nba player, i would HAVE to have him in my team |
| magritte | Nobody really putting my nose in it - we discussed this when the deal was made - I coached Nolan when he was in middle school so I made it clear that I would pay dearly for him to be on my team - we all knew it was not a good deal for my team in terms of talent, but i'd do it again tomorrow - sometimes you have to be willing to have a bad team in your free, simulated fantasy basketball league - haha |
| nick | Jeez i saw 'Ibaka trade' trending and for a second there i thought cleveland actually traded ibaka... yes this looks mighty silly for OKC especially since they took on almost 9 mil in salary too! but hey, it's in the past now |
| sheed36 | LOL "this was a deal for my heart not for the talent!" someone understand me LOL |
| pennywise | wow...ppl going thru the archives to put ppl's nose in it!! |
| magritte | Let's not kid ourselves, we all knew this trade was horrible for me! But I needed to have Nolan - I was able to use Kamen in a roundabout way to get Z-Bo, so that's not bad, but this was a deal for my heart not for the talent! |
| dunadan | this trade from last year is starting to look real bad for the thunder. the cavs made out with ibaka and what looks like a lottery pick right now. |
| nick | Hey, how good is matt bonner?! |
| jeremyclips | Nice guy, Red hair, Killer instinct- Not Chuck Norris- 2nd guess Matt Bonner! |
| nick | 3pt shooter supreme and all-round nice guy: Matt Bonner |
| Loose89 | Greatest big man of all time |
| jeremyclips | Bonner Bonner!!!! The guy is a stud! |
| pennywise | and now Bonner, the "almost" all star has 13 |
| pennywise | BOnner, bonner, he's our man!!! |
| dunadan | bump, bonner can't have fewer comments than gay |
| nick | Well if it'll work for Marc Gasol then it might work for Mozgov haha |
| sheed36 | Blockbuster! |
| dunadan | judging by his last two rebound-less games Mozgov clearly wanted a fresh start somewhere else ;) |
| nick | Yeh i like it for clips. Mozgov could turn into a decent little piece someday. Actually his ratings presently are actually pretty decent. |
| pennywise | I like this more for Clips....Mozgov has more potential, Bonner has peaked. |
| jeremyclips | Yep smooth as, you offered, I liked it, send it through. We both get what we want. |
| dunadan | one of the smoother deals. i made the offer and jeremy just said send it through ;) |
| darko | key stats for bonner, 6-10 and 87 3pt rating. :P |
| leeroy | I like it for nyk. Allows Tim's knicks to play the same style while Turk has a rest. And it's also good for lac, mozgov better contract, younger |
| Mavs4Life | A nice addition to LAC that may get overlooked. |
| nick | Hey, how good is matt bonner?! |
| jeremyclips | Nice guy, Red hair, Killer instinct- Not Chuck Norris- 2nd guess Matt Bonner! |
| nick | 3pt shooter supreme and all-round nice guy: Matt Bonner |
| Loose89 | Greatest big man of all time |
| jeremyclips | Bonner Bonner!!!! The guy is a stud! |
| pennywise | and now Bonner, the "almost" all star has 13 |
| pennywise | BOnner, bonner, he's our man!!! |
| dunadan | bump, bonner can't have fewer comments than gay |
| nick | Well if it'll work for Marc Gasol then it might work for Mozgov haha |
| sheed36 | Blockbuster! |
| dunadan | judging by his last two rebound-less games Mozgov clearly wanted a fresh start somewhere else ;) |
| nick | Yeh i like it for clips. Mozgov could turn into a decent little piece someday. Actually his ratings presently are actually pretty decent. |
| pennywise | I like this more for Clips....Mozgov has more potential, Bonner has peaked. |
| jeremyclips | Yep smooth as, you offered, I liked it, send it through. We both get what we want. |
| dunadan | one of the smoother deals. i made the offer and jeremy just said send it through ;) |
| darko | key stats for bonner, 6-10 and 87 3pt rating. :P |
| leeroy | I like it for nyk. Allows Tim's knicks to play the same style while Turk has a rest. And it's also good for lac, mozgov better contract, younger |
| Mavs4Life | A nice addition to LAC that may get overlooked. |
| magritte | Certainly still better than my team! |
| proid | It isn't the greatest deal from a Talent standpoint for the Jazz. But he has turned his big salaried guys into multiple assets that will be valuable in future deals. Also the Jazz still have Kevin Martin who is ranked 4th in the statistical MVP race. I believe they still have the pieces to be competitive. Just probably not a true title contender but definitely still playoff bound. |
| jaz | bump gay has 12 now, take that bonner |
| jeremyclips | Bonner trade deserved the attention the guy was almost an all star this year ;) |
| royal | vt, can't believe this got less response than Bonner deal :D (before this comment) |
| pennywise | It's not an unfair trade.... Gay better than Chandler, but he adds brooks and mcroberts to get a great SF.... I think Jazz got better overall deal, they get 2 potential starters and a very serviceable backup in J McR.....as a matter of fact, if you wanna move Josh, get at me!!! |
| nick | Oooh big trade!! |
| Loose89 | I dont understand this deal for Detroit |
| vt | Wow- i am surprised the Conley deal got 100+ comments while this one only mustered five. |
| Mavs4Life | I actually sorta like this deal for the Jazz, Brooks could do something when he gets back, and Chandler is just 2 points off Gay's average and cheaper. AND MCBOB! |
| alejandro | It's risky, Gay will probably be the better player his entire (overplayed) NLL contract. It could pay off for the Jazz, but if the deal ruins their chemistry they may regret it. |
| badwolf | Gay's contract vs Chandler's contract should be taken into the consideration... is gay 10M better then Chandler? what's the difference in overalls anyway? |
| darko | damn, nice deal for pistons. |
| vt | You're four games out of first, you just beat the best team in the West. What do ya do? |
| magritte | Certainly still better than my team! |
| proid | It isn't the greatest deal from a Talent standpoint for the Jazz. But he has turned his big salaried guys into multiple assets that will be valuable in future deals. Also the Jazz still have Kevin Martin who is ranked 4th in the statistical MVP race. I believe they still have the pieces to be competitive. Just probably not a true title contender but definitely still playoff bound. |
| jaz | bump gay has 12 now, take that bonner |
| jeremyclips | Bonner trade deserved the attention the guy was almost an all star this year ;) |
| royal | vt, can't believe this got less response than Bonner deal :D (before this comment) |
| pennywise | It's not an unfair trade.... Gay better than Chandler, but he adds brooks and mcroberts to get a great SF.... I think Jazz got better overall deal, they get 2 potential starters and a very serviceable backup in J McR.....as a matter of fact, if you wanna move Josh, get at me!!! |
| nick | Oooh big trade!! |
| Loose89 | I dont understand this deal for Detroit |
| vt | Wow- i am surprised the Conley deal got 100+ comments while this one only mustered five. |
| Mavs4Life | I actually sorta like this deal for the Jazz, Brooks could do something when he gets back, and Chandler is just 2 points off Gay's average and cheaper. AND MCBOB! |
| alejandro | It's risky, Gay will probably be the better player his entire (overplayed) NLL contract. It could pay off for the Jazz, but if the deal ruins their chemistry they may regret it. |
| badwolf | Gay's contract vs Chandler's contract should be taken into the consideration... is gay 10M better then Chandler? what's the difference in overalls anyway? |
| darko | damn, nice deal for pistons. |
| vt | You're four games out of first, you just beat the best team in the West. What do ya do? |
| darko | Looks like Villa gets his first start this week! |
| magritte | Coach Lawrence Frank said there's no room in the rotation right now for Charlie Villanueva. Frank is rolling with Greg Monroe, Jason Maxiell, Ben Wallace and Jonas Jerebko as his four bigs. Villanueva has appeared in just four games all season due to injuries and ineptitude. Not seeing a lot of upside for Charlie Vi if he can't get past Maxiel on the depth chart, haha. |
| nick | A 2k move from proid |
| pennywise | I second that Magritte.....although with Charlie being injured much of the season, i really only think its bad for NJ, but just for this season. If Charlie comes back and regains form next year, it could go in Nets favor for best part of the trade. |
| magritte | I like it best for MIL, second for GS and and last for NJ, but I don't really think it's bad for anyone! |
| WALLrus | i really liked villa, but i needed a good SG and i thought they were similar caliber players |
| darko | I think NJ gets a nice piece in case beasley is out, as long as villa is healthy, he is a good NLL player. |
| vt | LOL |
| darko | Looks like Villa gets his first start this week! |
| magritte | Coach Lawrence Frank said there's no room in the rotation right now for Charlie Villanueva. Frank is rolling with Greg Monroe, Jason Maxiell, Ben Wallace and Jonas Jerebko as his four bigs. Villanueva has appeared in just four games all season due to injuries and ineptitude. Not seeing a lot of upside for Charlie Vi if he can't get past Maxiel on the depth chart, haha. |
| nick | A 2k move from proid |
| pennywise | I second that Magritte.....although with Charlie being injured much of the season, i really only think its bad for NJ, but just for this season. If Charlie comes back and regains form next year, it could go in Nets favor for best part of the trade. |
| magritte | I like it best for MIL, second for GS and and last for NJ, but I don't really think it's bad for anyone! |
| WALLrus | i really liked villa, but i needed a good SG and i thought they were similar caliber players |
| darko | I think NJ gets a nice piece in case beasley is out, as long as villa is healthy, he is a good NLL player. |
| vt | LOL |
| darko | Looks like Villa gets his first start this week! |
| magritte | Coach Lawrence Frank said there's no room in the rotation right now for Charlie Villanueva. Frank is rolling with Greg Monroe, Jason Maxiell, Ben Wallace and Jonas Jerebko as his four bigs. Villanueva has appeared in just four games all season due to injuries and ineptitude. Not seeing a lot of upside for Charlie Vi if he can't get past Maxiel on the depth chart, haha. |
| nick | A 2k move from proid |
| pennywise | I second that Magritte.....although with Charlie being injured much of the season, i really only think its bad for NJ, but just for this season. If Charlie comes back and regains form next year, it could go in Nets favor for best part of the trade. |
| magritte | I like it best for MIL, second for GS and and last for NJ, but I don't really think it's bad for anyone! |
| WALLrus | i really liked villa, but i needed a good SG and i thought they were similar caliber players |
| darko | I think NJ gets a nice piece in case beasley is out, as long as villa is healthy, he is a good NLL player. |
| vt | LOL |
| darko | wow didnt even know he was waived. not that i wanted him. |
| Loose89 | Just having a laugh vt |
| pennywise | so nets get baylesss, give livingston to bos and 1st to Phi, bos gives 2nd to Phi and tpe to NJ, and phi gets 2nd from Bos 1st from NJ and then moves bayless .... Ok makes sense then |
| vt | Same old song...blah blah |
| Loose89 | rich getting richer! .... xD |
| vt | Jesus...I barely had 30 seconds to type that in before some boobird craps down. lol. |
| leeroy | That makes sense then :) |
| leeroy | Philly getting picks and more points for free. Maybe it's just me but don't see why they needed to be involved |
| vt | And before Greenmig decides to launch an investigation- Bayless will be going to NJ when I can trade him again and I get NJ's 2013 first rounder. |
| Loose89 | Just having a laugh vt |
| pennywise | so nets get baylesss, give livingston to bos and 1st to Phi, bos gives 2nd to Phi and tpe to NJ, and phi gets 2nd from Bos 1st from NJ and then moves bayless .... Ok makes sense then |
| vt | Same old song...blah blah |
| Loose89 | rich getting richer! .... xD |
| vt | Jesus...I barely had 30 seconds to type that in before some boobird craps down. lol. |
| leeroy | That makes sense then :) |
| leeroy | Philly getting picks and more points for free. Maybe it's just me but don't see why they needed to be involved |
| vt | And before Greenmig decides to launch an investigation- Bayless will be going to NJ when I can trade him again and I get NJ's 2013 first rounder. |
| Loose89 | Just having a laugh vt |
| pennywise | so nets get baylesss, give livingston to bos and 1st to Phi, bos gives 2nd to Phi and tpe to NJ, and phi gets 2nd from Bos 1st from NJ and then moves bayless .... Ok makes sense then |
| vt | Same old song...blah blah |
| Loose89 | rich getting richer! .... xD |
| vt | Jesus...I barely had 30 seconds to type that in before some boobird craps down. lol. |
| leeroy | That makes sense then :) |
| leeroy | Philly getting picks and more points for free. Maybe it's just me but don't see why they needed to be involved |
| vt | And before Greenmig decides to launch an investigation- Bayless will be going to NJ when I can trade him again and I get NJ's 2013 first rounder. |
| WALLrus | im a big cartier fan. he is a great shooter |
| houndy | Yessssssss |
| jeremyclips | I would agree with that. Boozer is closer to the top 10 PF's than Varejao to the top 10 C's |
| pennywise | I will say that boozer is closer to top 10 at pf than varejao is at 10 top for C |
| pennywise | neither are top 10....I promise that |
| dazman32 | So where does everyone rate Boozer at PF, Varejao at C? |
| nick | My top 15 (specifically nba)... 1. CP3, 2. D-Rose, 3. Rajon Rondo, 4. Steve Nash, 5. Deron Williams, 6. Russell Westbrook, 7. Tony Parker, 8. Stephen Curry, 9. Kyrie Irving, 10. Ty Lawson, 11. Kyle Lowry, 12. Mike Conley, 13. Brandon Jennings, 14. John Wall, 15. Ricky Rubio |
| pennywise | collison has Granger, Hibbert and P. George, but still less asts than Russ |
| Loose89 | I could be top 15 in assists with Durant on my team... |
| pennywise | and for those that think westbrook isn't a pg, he's 15th best in asts...better than "True PGs" like Collison, Teague, Holiday, Nelson |
| pennywise | top 10 pg.....1. D Rose(ahem, last years MVP!!!), 2. Deron, 3. CP3, 4. Rajon Rondo, 5. Russell Westbrook, 6. Steve Nash, 7. Brandon Jennings, 8. Stephen Curry(even with injury), 9. John Wall, 10. Lowry, Calderon, Parker(all pretty darn close) After that, don't forget Holiday, Rubio, Kyrie....all better than Conley....He's avging 13 and 7, not too shabby.... he's 11th in scoring, 10th in asts, 12th in TO, 17th in Rebs, 1st in Stl, 20th in 3pt%, 13th in fg%... sorry, but those numbers don't put him within the top ten |
| jeremyclips | Well I guess it depends on what you're looking for- but if a guy can shoot a decent %, is your 3-4th leading scorer, leads the league in stl, in top 10 in assists, doesn't commit many TO's and can hit the 3 ball they have to be regarded. Conley gets overlooked because he isn't flashy and doesn't score as well as other elite PG's but his numbers don't lie. I rate him in the top 10. |
| dare | Even if you count Westbrook out as a PG Conley won't make it in the Top 10 |
| Loose89 | I don't really count westbrook as a PG, he's too interested scoring for himself |
| laddas | After reading in the comments about Conley being a top 10 pg, I thought I'd do a little research. I read about 10-15 articles and not one listed or even mentioned the guy, with the amount of talent at the position he is NOT a top 10 pg. as a defensive of yeah sure you could place him top 10, but overall no way. Every list had the same names and its hard to argue with them. Rose,Paul,deron,Westbrook,rondo,Nash,curry,wall,Parker,Lowry in no particular order. |
| jeremyclips | Hahahahaha |
| dazman32 | I actually thought the deal was pretty fair. (Sidenote: I loathe Carlos Boozer) But Clippers will not win until they move Ellis, he is without a doubt the biggest loser in basketball. (Sidenote: I loathe Ellis even more than Boozer) By the way, aussies fighting other aussies makes baby koala's cry. Beer would solve this! |
| dare | 100 |
| alejandro | Just posting to be part of this. Also, while I traded for Parker myself, I dont think he is all that great in the NLL, NBA is a different story, dude has 3 rings as a key piece and is going to the hall of fame, NLL Conley is probably as good as NLL Parker, but I seriously doubt Conley will have a better NBA carrer than Tony, or is better than TP today. |
| houndy | If we're talking NLL Darius Morris should crack that top ten... :P |
| jaz | Conley is a top 10 PG in my eyes. |
| jeremyclips | Conley plays better D then parker and can hit a 3.. Parker is a more natural scorer. Just my opinion though. |
| jeremyclips | P.S look at conley's numbers- Any guy that can get you almost 13 ppg, 2.5 stls with almost 8 dimes and has low TO's in a winning/ stacked roster isn't to be snuffed at. He is good. |
| badwolf | Yet you think conley is better? |
| jeremyclips | I know Tony Parker is a sleazy weasel, but his numbers have been rock solid this year- 19.4 pts, on 47% shooting, 80% FT, 3 rebs, 8 asts, 1 stl and 2.7 TO's.. He's no dud. |
| badwolf | I can understand everything (a bit of normal homerism ;) )... But parker, really? |
| jeremyclips | 1. Paul 2. Rose 3. Westbrook 4. Deron Williams 5. Rondo 6. Curry (injured) 7. Nash 8. Conley 9. Lawson 10. John Wall. There is a few players that miss out because of health etc but I would say Irving, Lowry, Jennings, Parker are all close too... Thoughts? |
| badwolf | Pg is stacked in this era, you have to be damn good to get to bein top ten. |
| badwolf | Cp3,deron, nash, parker, rose, westbrok, rondo, irving, wall, rubio, lowry, curry, lawson, jennings + a bunch of young guys that could end up better (dragic, thomas, holiday) and a lot of guys at similar level now... He'll never be top 10 at his position, but that's ok, as neither will matthews |
| pennywise | a good side argument....name who the top 10 pgs are in the league!!! |
| jeremyclips | You don't think Conley is a top 10 Pg in the league? You don't think he will be up there in a few years? Really...? I think he is currently a top 10 PG for sure, and I think he will continue to improve being only 24 years old. This season in the NBA conley is ranked no.1 stls and 8th in assists, he's not a big scorer but he doesn't need to be at Memphis. To me Conley is the best player in the deal (if you include current stats, contract and potential) but that is just my opinion. |
| badwolf | Depends on how you define mediocre. Is he top 10 pg in the league? Will he be there in few years.? The answer to both is clear no, so he is mediocre at best. |
| badwolf | Depends on how you define mediocre. Is he top 10 pg in the league? Will he be there in few years.? The answer to both is clear no, so he is mediocre at best. |
| pennywise | hell yeah you did....Battie is an ultimate team lynchpin!!! :) |
| jeremyclips | Perhaps I gave up Tony Battie a bit cheap though.... |
| jeremyclips | I don't really need to comment again because I have already stated my intentions and perspective, but Im going to add- Mike Conley isn't a mediocre player, at 24 his skill set is great. To me it sounds like mig is looking at the pts category and freaking out. Sure I traded Boozer and Matthews- both good scorers but Boozer cannot defend (matthews is solid) and I picked up Allen- Elite defender, a starting PG and Defensive C- Those were the pieces I wanted to reshape the team and I am happy with the contracts I picked up. Good trade for both. |
| proid | umm, it looks better on paper as far as Big names go. But the clips are dead last in defensive efficiency and despite having a trio of great offensive players they were one of the worst shooting teams in the league. That round peg won't fit in that square hole no matter how hard you hit it. Sometimes you have to know when to say this isn't working, time to change philosophies ;) |
| pennywise | Im #80.....i still think its a better trade for dallas. But I do understand what clips.are trying to do |
| proid | Overall I have to agree with Nick. As long as a New GM can demonstrate that he has a plausible understanding about what it is that he is trying to accomplish, he should make any deal he wants. It would also seem that Jeremy's understanding of the game is pretty much on point from what I can see. He has essentially traded for specific skill sets as opposed to trading for player names which is something that gets overlooked a lot. He's improved his ball-handling and defense. If he can pluck a half decent offensive player from the draft or via some other means the team will be pretty competitive imo. |
| nick | Oh by all means, please DO comment. We're already throwing a 78 comment bonanza here so why not haha....... it's a a comment paaaarrrrttttyyyyy! *streamers* |
| laddas | holy shit! I missed a lot over the last couple a days! I think it would be great if we could all meet in person, man what a night on the piss that'd be haha! I hate Boozer so i'd rather not comment cause it would be clearly biased lol |
| nick | 76 |
| badwolf | my points, i have to get involved in this thread :D. I think it's not a good deal, but neither a really bad one. Boozer for Varejao in NBA would be ok for many teams, taking into account contracts, it will probably get declined by Cavs FO. Then it's Matthews for Allen, Conley and three seconds. Did anyone notice how bad matthews is this year? regressed all over the statline, also not really cheap at 7M per year. Conley is another player that regressed on the offensive side of the game, and Nick, he's definition of mediocre PG, I'd say below avarage starter. This deal is really good for Dallas mostly cause of varejao's injury, his positional needs and cause Boozer might be a better NLL player then varejao,with emphasis on might. I'd love me some Varejao ;) |
| sheed36 | Damn it.. Its your fault i don't read all comments |
| pennywise | bump... |
| pennywise | after that comment, I have to post to get it to 80.... |
| Mavs4Life | 70 comments... has to be a record |
| greenmig | Ok I was wrong , my bad, this is a great deal for LAC... |
| dare | oops used the wrong word *write I mean, haha |
| leeroy | Lol threats ... So what context did you mean comments like "inside job", And " helping the new guy, not your old mate" then? Humor me |
| dare | somebody should right a comic sans font letter to the league to settle this one |
| nick | greenmig is the delusional one if he thinks conley is mediocre at best. |
| houndy | Well it was approved by 3 GM's, so 3 other GM's thought it was okay and even too |
| greenmig | haha dems fighting words. calm down its ok man, no need to take things out of context and issue threats. its just opinion, the big problem here is your's is clearly delusional thats all. you got your hands caught in the cookie jar, now you're coming out all big and strong with your bro trying to scare me off. you guys crack me up. keep going i got plenty more material ;p |
| houndy | Look Green, you've wanted to take good deals. Flashback to when I was just starting and you tried to take Kyle Lowry from me for freaking RICHARD JEFFERSON |
| houndy | Look Green, you've wanted to take good deals. Flashback to when I was just starting and you tried to take Kyle Lowry from me for freaking RICHARD JEFFERSON |
| nick | Conley is mediocre? He's currently leading the NBA in steals per game and #10 in assists. He's also only 24 and on a fantastic contract. I tried to get him myself at one stage. Varejao can't hold a candle to Boozer? Varejao was AVERAGING a double-double in the NBA before he went down. Something you can't say about Boozer. Cavs were also hovering around .500% while Varejao was playing and he was among the league leaders in "win shares", so he's clearly a key contributor in NBA. If you think Tony Allen is useless in NLL then you're wrong. His defensive ratings are rare and awesome. Think defense doesn't matter in NLL then you're wrong. Why do you think i traded Thornton? Miggy i think either you're just trying to stir shit. |
| leeroy | Green your the one implying that nick and dal are in it together to rip off the new guy I have no issue with your opinion of the trade just the fact that when dert calls something to do with the guys running the league 'shady' all hell breaks loose and he is attacked left right and center. Now your implying that same cheating and nothing is said about it because it's about regular gm's ... All I'm saying is get your facts straight before you start accusing guys of conspiring |
| smokey | Get your facts straight mug before you start trying to remind me Of something I didn't do. That so called article was written in the power rankings by VT and I don't know if it was deleted or not but that was not a news article at all so don't accuse me of something I didn't do buddy. I still stand by exactly what I have said in all my comments about the trade and I don't see that I need to come out here and say such things as that. I have already sai that I got a good deal mate but ones opinion will differ from another when it comes to it being so lop sided. And don't you dare ever accuse me an nick of cheating mate because that's what you did and I don't appreciate it at all. |
| houndy | @ Dare- Meh, once we get D-Rose and Rip back you're gonna be crying ;D |
| dare | @houndy but your team is currently out of the playoffs |
| houndy | I feel like the only new GM that made a pretty good blockbuster trade... |
| greenmig | hahah you guys are delusional. If we are into reminders here, can I remind you Dallas of your previous team news, (which got deleted very quickly I might add,) where you said something along the lines of: "dallas is excited about getting a starting pf and sg without giving up much" ...i must say when I read that I was like wtf? but yer now I see what you mean. you cooked up a storm buddy and you know it. calling me dert is just ridiculous and clearly shows you are clutching at straws leeroy - cmon man surely you can think of more than this to say. i love how you guys go to the personal attacks rather than focusing on the facts, FACT: Conley is mediocre and Varejao doesnt hold a candle to Boozer. FACT: Boozer is a stud and matthews is a guy who can dominate for 20ppg given time in the NLL. THe rest is just background noise. Note, I'm not hating on anyone here btw just in case you get confused again. At least PHI and others who make one sided deals acknowledge it. And yer I agree Gasol is now on the rise in CHA. It's all opinions but lets face it boys, why not just come clean and admit that you just committed daylight robbery rather than trying to paper over the scene of the crime. |
| nick | Perhaps i over-emphasized Boozer's contract and perhaps i overvalued Conley to LAC, but i don't think it's as bad a deal as some people are making out. Maybe i need my "brain examined" |
| pennywise | I was misunderstanding the "buddy system" but I get it now. You don't stop them from making trades that may not be as helpful, just offer advice on all things within the trade. My bad Nick, I thought you were basically the final say in it all, not merely just a consultant. It still got agreed upon by the panel anyway. I don't mind the trade minus the Wesley part. Just my opinion. |
| dare | yeah keep it rolling nick.. |
| nick | and lol @ dare |
| nick | @pennywise: I don't know why you're directing your gripes with the deal at me. What you and greenmig don't seem to understand is that i already told LAC everything you guys are saying!!! I already told him dallas does very well out of the trade. I already told him he should shop boozer for longer. I already told him matthews is a piece worth keeping. I already told him he may be overvaluing Varejao. He already knew all the risks about the deal but wanted to do it anyway. Quit getting over emotional everybody lol. LAC wanted a pass-first PG and a defensive C and to dump boozer's contract and that's exactly what he got. He knows what he's doing, he's not a typical dumbshit "new GM". He DOES have a plan in mind so just let the guy make his choices. I'm sick of every damn trade getting so scrutinized, it saps the enjoyment a bit. |
| dare | What is it over? I'm not done with my popcorn, more drama please... |
| Loose89 | Also with this deal, even though the clips gave up a good young swingman, there are plenty more in the draft, infact he could draw out a better player in the draft as well. So it's not like he will lose a good swingman for a while |
| badwolf | depth yes, but rebuilding pieces? |
| vt | As long as everyone is happy then it's a good deal. But be careful using the word "broke" in the same sentence as Anderson....lol. |
| jeremyclips | How is Varejao not a starter? How is Conley not a starter? I will grant that Allen isn't a starter in the NLL but Anderson and Mike are both good quality starters and both have nice contracts. Bottom line is Boozer's contract had to be shipped in order to rebuild, I didn't want to be stuck with it next year when it goes up to around 14-15 mil. Pennywise was the most accurate with his criticism- the Wes Matthews factor- which is a fair observation. I wanted to hold Matthews but I was comfortable shifting him in a deal that game me depth and rebuilding pieces. To me Conley is the best player in the whole deal- he is ranked highest in Nba ranking, has the best contract and has potential to grow into the future. Anderson broke out a bit this year too. I feel like the deal compliments my team and my development into the future, so Im not fazed by the people who dislike the deal. Natural growth will make my team a contender, I am confident. |
| leeroy | love the double standards in this place.... Greenmig=dert now. maybe get your facts straight before you start accusing people of cheating, insider trading whatever. Nick is friends with LAC gm so i don't see where your info came from that hes out helping an 'old mate' in DAL. Only reason this one went through to the keeper is that your weren't dumb enough to accuse the guys running the league like our old mate Dert did. |
| smokey | Yeah that is fact mate. But fact is Conley would start over any of them in a heart beat if I disnt find a good profile with sessions in at the starting job. So just because I had him as 6th man that means he is not a starter? Please give me a break! And to say its low risk for me is a bit far fetched I am looking at a total player payment of about 80mil next year so there is risk involved. Before this goes around on circles like all comment post do I'm finished. It's all done people are entitled to an opinion but at the end of te day of both gm's are happy then that's all that matters. Cheers. |
| vt | If you can't win an argument just browbeat us with the same post over and over. LOL! |
| smokey | Firstly can I just remind you greenmig what you said in the comments section of the clips news? Opinions on players differ from person to person. People see different qualities in certain players and will trade accordingly. Now To be honest I. Know I got a good deal but I am baffled as to how I didn't give up a starter according to a few? Offensive wise Allen is not up there with other players but defense is a huge part of the game look at Denver's roster now! Conley allen and varejao are all starters in the NBA but apparently just because they don't put up 20ppf that doesn't qualify them as a starter? At the end of the day clips and I were happy doing the deal and obviously we (and a few others aswell) think its fair and have different opinions on the players that were involved. |
| smokey | Firstly can I just remind you greenmig what you said in the comments section of the clips news? Opinions on players differ from person to person. People see different qualities in certain players and will trade accordingly. Now To be honest I. Know I got a good deal but I am baffled as to how I didn't give up a starter according to a few? Offensive wise Allen is not up there with other players but defense is a huge part of the game look at Denver's roster now! Conley allen and varejao are all starters in the NBA but apparently just because they don't put up 20ppf that doesn't qualify them as a starter? At the end of the day clips and I were happy doing the deal and obviously we (and a few others aswell) think its fair and have different opinions on the players that were involved. |
| vt | I'm not saying they can't be starters in the league (hell, Daniel Orton is a starter). My point is this was a low risk deal for YOU because you didn't move any of YOUR starters. That's all. |
| vt | Fact: your starting lineup before the deal: Hawes, Hansbrough, Melo, Dragic, Sesssions. Not sure what's opinion here? |
| smokey | But that's just an opinion and people are entitled To it. I still think Conley and varejao are very capable starters in this league. And even Allen would be also if you are able to use the coach profiles to your advantage you can win games with anyone starting. Look at HOU this year. And an even better example me last year. I had Patrick Patterson and donte Greene starting for me and I took my team to first in The west the proof is right there. Do your research and your team can be just as goo as the power houses! |
| smokey | But that's just an opinion and people are entitled To it. I still think Conley and varejao are very capable starters in this league. And even Allen would be also if you are able to use the coach profiles to your advantage you can win games with anyone starting. Look at HOU this year. And an even better example me last year. I had Patrick Patterson and donte Greene starting for me and I took my team to first in The west the proof is right there. Do your research and your team can be just as goo as the power houses! |
| smokey | Firstly can I just remind you greenmig what you said in the comments section of the clips news? Opinions on players differ from person to person. People see different qualities in certain players and will trade accordingly. Now To be honest I. Know I got a good deal but I am baffled as to how I didn't give up a starter according to a few? Offensive wise Allen is not up there with other players but defense is a huge part of the game look at Denver's roster now! Conley allen and varejao are all starters in the NBA but apparently just because they don't put up 20ppf that doesn't qualify them as a starter? At the end of the day clips and I were happy doing the deal and obviously we (and a few others aswell) think its fair and have different opinions on the players that were involved. |
| vt | I am not talking about NBA starters. I mean starters on your squad. |
| smokey | Firstly can I just remind you greenmig what you said in the comments section of the clips news? Opinions on players differ from person to person. People see different qualities in certain players and will trade accordingly. Now To be honest I. Know I got a good deal but I am baffled as to how I didn't give up a starter according to a few? Offensive wise Allen is not up there with other players but defense is a huge part of the game look at Denver's roster now! Conley allen and varejao are all starters in the NBA but apparently just because they don't put up 20ppf that doesn't qualify them as a starter? At the end of the day clips and I were happy doing the deal and obviously we (and a few others aswell) think its fair and have different opinions on the players that were involved. |
| vt | Just my two cents: I was also perplexed by the deal. It was the inclusion of Wes Matthews that confused me b/c if the trade was for the future, why not keep a promising young swingman who is now going to get loads of minutes in the NBA? I don't think it's a complete rip (and greenmig- my LMA is oodles more fair if you've seen Gasol's great ratings bump, you got the wrong CHA rape deal, bro), but I wish LAC had taken more time to shop around. In Nick's defense, he can't kill a deal. And he did spend time talking to Jeremy for it. But what a steal for DAL! He needed a starting PF and SG and got both without giving up a starting player on his squad! |
| pennywise | ooohh...another fun heated debate about how a trade went. Nick, so you were the "buddy GM"? I just think you should have helped him more. I know Jeremy was anxious to trade. He and I have discussed options often already. Personally, I get you wanted him to dump salary in boozer. I don't have a problem with that half of the trade. Wesley is a different story. He's a solid SG/SF in a league where that position is dominating stats. He would have been better off with Ellis at PG and Wes at the SG(that looks better than a backcourt of ellis and conley and you are still young there), trade Boozer for a SF and C. Conley is the only starting piece he gets back for giving up 2 starters,and it makes him smaller in the backcourt? Greeny is right, the rest of the trade is bench fodder. the picks are all going to be end of the draft picks, so it's laughable they are in the trade. That's like throwing 6 GM points at him, after you did the radio show, rookie rankings, and GOTW all in one week. Raja will more than likely retire after this season. Tony Allen, while one of the best defenders in NBA( this doesn't directly translate to NLL unfortunately...otherwise you'd never see Utah with Thabo on the block) can't shoot to save his life. I like Varejao for him, but I would have rather seen him move Boozer for Var and a SF, which would have been a GOOD trade for a young GM......Nick you may think I'm a miser as do some of the rest of the league, but I don't make trades that make my team worse(on paper, cuz I've been crap after moving zaza of all people for marion). I just feel that Jeremy could have moved these pieces separately and gotten WAY MORE!!!!! And no hating on you, Dallas. If I would have gotten a chance to make my team THAT MUCH BETTER for what you gave up, I'd have traded with Clips too. |
| nick | Well there is no right or wrong when it comes to "opinions" on trades. Everybody has a different perception of players and if you think Conley is average at best then our "opinions" differ largely. Also let me be clear that as a "buddy gm" i am supposed to have jeremy discuss the deal with me first before it gets approved. My job isn't to STOP him doing what he wants to do, only to make him aware. He's aware. We discussed the deal at length but ultimately it is jeremy's choice that he wanted to make so who am i to veto it? He's the one in charge of the clips, not me. Also, no bias towards DAL here miggy since jeremy is a good friend of mine in real life lol |
| jaz | And I though I did bad trades. |
| greenmig | jeremy, interesting comment mate since you have no clue who i am. i havent actually hated on you at all. i am just commenting on the deal and how lopsided it is and how im shocked your vet gm agreed to it. i dont buy, (neither does a few other vet gm's in this thread) this 'future' you have been peddled by DAL as conley is average at best. you got sold a dud man. im not hating on you at all. this is not about me, this is about the deal and my opinion of it. |
| greenmig | as a gm advisory you are supposed to help the new guy nick, not your old mate, perhaps you missed that part lololol...gg man call it as you will and grats for turning the discussion about me when its about you and dallas mate. lol dont try to change the focus |
| nick | Lol greenmig... you're just jealous that dallas has leapfrogged you in the west ;-) |
| jeremyclips | Who is this greenmig hater?? He sounds like a 15 year old xbox fan, not a man who's serious about NBA. He see's Boozer= good now- Dallas wins. I guess if you can acknowledge potential you can see the appeal in this deal. Especially when I was already losing with the so called "elite" Carlos Boozer and his whopping contract. Keep sending the hate, I will see you in 3-5 years... *sinking feeling when realizing you will be almost 30 when you can say "i told you so"* haha |
| WALLrus | i like this deal both ways, i think it makes dallas the 4th team in the west, i also really like the Monta, Conley, Thompson combo especially 2 or 3 years down the road when thompson matures. |
| greenmig | This trade makes the LMA trade almost look fair.... |
| badwolf | lol, miggy ;) i think you could do better but it's ok... maybe to much a trade for trding sake, it doesn't really help you much now or in the future... though i'd say varejao is certainly underrated aroud here... what do you want for him ;) |
| greenmig | They sold you a story about a contract on a guy who was riding the bench in return, blasphemy !! |
| greenmig | Boozer is an elite big man in his prime. You have to pay someone....why not pay a stud? Outrageous.. |
| jeremyclips | It's a new era. Looking back at that trade the old GM did for Lebron- I'd say thats a head scratcher. This is a move for the future, Bringing in some defensive players, waiting on the development of one of my PF's and hopefully signing a gun rookie in this season's draft. Let's not forget Boozer is 29 with a long contract where in his last season he will be on 17mil. Anderson gives me D at the C, Conley has a delightful contract and has room for improvement and I have picked up some extra depth pieces and late picks. Im more than happy with the deal and have started to rebuild around Monta with a good young core. |
| dunadan | headscratcher for the clips. they trade their #2 and #3 scorers for a smallish PG with mediocre shooting ratings and an injured C with no offense. boozer was one of the assets they got for lebron... |
| greenmig | well lets forget where my tongue is but i can tell you exactly who copped one the bread basket in this exchange, this smells like an inside job to me leeroy, i demand a full enquiry... |
| Loose89 | Sounded a little sarcastic to me leeroy.. lol |
| leeroy | not sure if you have the tongue firmly planted or not Greeny. if not id hardly call Conley or Varejao bench fodder |
| greenmig | outrageous trade for the mavs. whoever LAC buddy is needs to have his brain examined. this is an absolute outcry which needs a full league investigation. mavs get two starters in exchange for bench fodder, shocking! |
| smokey | This trade helps me right away. but it is also risky because at the end of this year and next, I have to PAY all my guys with extensions so it is now or never for a ring, unless I wanna sit in the Lux tax threshold. For Clips Conley seems very under rated around here, he is having a career year in the NBA and has a BRILLIANT contract which only peaks at 9mil at the end of the 5 years. To be honest I dont know what Allen can do in the NLL becuase I never gave him the chance, but he is also having a great year in the NBA and is half the price of Matthews. and varejao is a solid big man. I think both teams got what they wanted in the deal, which was for me to win now, and for Clips to get some good solid pieces and move forward with them. I also think the even though he is 6"3' Monta is better suited at the 2 position, and monta and conley in the back court is going to be great over the coming years. |
| Loose89 | I think it was a good move penny, I mean Boozer in 2k12 is average, he has a crap contract and the clips have 2 good young players that play in his position in Thompson and T. Thomas. He also gets a good young PG in return and a good defensive centre. |
| pennywise | Dallas may have solidified his team as a top 3 team out West after this move. |
| pennywise | Doesn't this new GM have a "buddy GM"...Whoever it was should have had him shop around more, instead of moving most of his trade bait in one single swoop |
| pennywise | I think it's ok trade for Clips....I think they undervalued both Boozer and Matthews. Conley is a solid PG, but he's already got Ellis, who runs PG well in NLL. Instead, now he's undersized in his backcourt. Also, Raja may retire after this season. Allen is a great defensive stopper, but his O is suspect. Varejao is a very good defensive C. Diebler and the 2nd rounders are throw ins for league to ok the trade. |
| jeremyclips | This trade makes Dallas better no doubt. But the trade isn't meant to make my team better. I wanted to bring in a great young PG on a sweet contract and got Conley. Also wanted a Defensive C to go with my youngish PF's Tyrus and Thompson. With Monta Ellis- and hopefully a high pick next year Im hoping the Clippers will become a contender in the future with this move. Im not done in the trade office yet though. Still have some moves to make. |
| darko | Those 2nd rounders will be in the 50s, so pretty much garbage unless he is extremely lucky. |
| nick | Granted, Clippers could probably have gotten more for Boozer and Matthews but i still like the trade for them |
| nick | I think this is one of those rare trades that is good for both teams. Clippers get Boozer's contract off their books, and secure their PG of the future in Conley. They also get a decent defensive center in Vrejao. Dallas on the other hand round out their starting 5 very very nicely and look scary going into the playoffs. I feel like they're a genuine contender along with me and SAC now. |
| Mavs4Life | A good deal, especially with LAC's position, draft picks help. Plus the 4 of the 5 players can play well. Dallas gets to immediate talents as it contiues to try to get a title. |
| darko | I like it for dallas. Instand starting PF, and Matthews is a good SG for him. He also has Sessions to start at PG so Conley is expendable. |
| leeroy | I like this one for both teams.. Dallas for the higher talent in their win now mode and Conley is nice, varejao is way cheaper than boozer and is no slouch ... Picks can't hurt either. Good deal |
| Loose89 | I like this trade for the clippers, just for the fact they get Boozer (certainly plays like he's on it) off their books. They also get a good young PG in Conley back. But my blind hatred for Boozer and his stupid contract may blind me from the other pieces in this trade |
| jeremyclips | I would agree with that. Boozer is closer to the top 10 PF's than Varejao to the top 10 C's |
| pennywise | I will say that boozer is closer to top 10 at pf than varejao is at 10 top for C |
| pennywise | neither are top 10....I promise that |
| dazman32 | So where does everyone rate Boozer at PF, Varejao at C? |
| nick | My top 15 (specifically nba)... 1. CP3, 2. D-Rose, 3. Rajon Rondo, 4. Steve Nash, 5. Deron Williams, 6. Russell Westbrook, 7. Tony Parker, 8. Stephen Curry, 9. Kyrie Irving, 10. Ty Lawson, 11. Kyle Lowry, 12. Mike Conley, 13. Brandon Jennings, 14. John Wall, 15. Ricky Rubio |
| pennywise | collison has Granger, Hibbert and P. George, but still less asts than Russ |
| Loose89 | I could be top 15 in assists with Durant on my team... |
| pennywise | and for those that think westbrook isn't a pg, he's 15th best in asts...better than "True PGs" like Collison, Teague, Holiday, Nelson |
| pennywise | top 10 pg.....1. D Rose(ahem, last years MVP!!!), 2. Deron, 3. CP3, 4. Rajon Rondo, 5. Russell Westbrook, 6. Steve Nash, 7. Brandon Jennings, 8. Stephen Curry(even with injury), 9. John Wall, 10. Lowry, Calderon, Parker(all pretty darn close) After that, don't forget Holiday, Rubio, Kyrie....all better than Conley....He's avging 13 and 7, not too shabby.... he's 11th in scoring, 10th in asts, 12th in TO, 17th in Rebs, 1st in Stl, 20th in 3pt%, 13th in fg%... sorry, but those numbers don't put him within the top ten |
| jeremyclips | Well I guess it depends on what you're looking for- but if a guy can shoot a decent %, is your 3-4th leading scorer, leads the league in stl, in top 10 in assists, doesn't commit many TO's and can hit the 3 ball they have to be regarded. Conley gets overlooked because he isn't flashy and doesn't score as well as other elite PG's but his numbers don't lie. I rate him in the top 10. |
| dare | Even if you count Westbrook out as a PG Conley won't make it in the Top 10 |
| Loose89 | I don't really count westbrook as a PG, he's too interested scoring for himself |
| laddas | After reading in the comments about Conley being a top 10 pg, I thought I'd do a little research. I read about 10-15 articles and not one listed or even mentioned the guy, with the amount of talent at the position he is NOT a top 10 pg. as a defensive of yeah sure you could place him top 10, but overall no way. Every list had the same names and its hard to argue with them. Rose,Paul,deron,Westbrook,rondo,Nash,curry,wall,Parker,Lowry in no particular order. |
| jeremyclips | Hahahahaha |
| dazman32 | I actually thought the deal was pretty fair. (Sidenote: I loathe Carlos Boozer) But Clippers will not win until they move Ellis, he is without a doubt the biggest loser in basketball. (Sidenote: I loathe Ellis even more than Boozer) By the way, aussies fighting other aussies makes baby koala's cry. Beer would solve this! |
| dare | 100 |
| alejandro | Just posting to be part of this. Also, while I traded for Parker myself, I dont think he is all that great in the NLL, NBA is a different story, dude has 3 rings as a key piece and is going to the hall of fame, NLL Conley is probably as good as NLL Parker, but I seriously doubt Conley will have a better NBA carrer than Tony, or is better than TP today. |
| houndy | If we're talking NLL Darius Morris should crack that top ten... :P |
| jaz | Conley is a top 10 PG in my eyes. |
| jeremyclips | Conley plays better D then parker and can hit a 3.. Parker is a more natural scorer. Just my opinion though. |
| jeremyclips | P.S look at conley's numbers- Any guy that can get you almost 13 ppg, 2.5 stls with almost 8 dimes and has low TO's in a winning/ stacked roster isn't to be snuffed at. He is good. |
| badwolf | Yet you think conley is better? |
| jeremyclips | I know Tony Parker is a sleazy weasel, but his numbers have been rock solid this year- 19.4 pts, on 47% shooting, 80% FT, 3 rebs, 8 asts, 1 stl and 2.7 TO's.. He's no dud. |
| badwolf | I can understand everything (a bit of normal homerism ;) )... But parker, really? |
| jeremyclips | 1. Paul 2. Rose 3. Westbrook 4. Deron Williams 5. Rondo 6. Curry (injured) 7. Nash 8. Conley 9. Lawson 10. John Wall. There is a few players that miss out because of health etc but I would say Irving, Lowry, Jennings, Parker are all close too... Thoughts? |
| badwolf | Pg is stacked in this era, you have to be damn good to get to bein top ten. |
| badwolf | Cp3,deron, nash, parker, rose, westbrok, rondo, irving, wall, rubio, lowry, curry, lawson, jennings + a bunch of young guys that could end up better (dragic, thomas, holiday) and a lot of guys at similar level now... He'll never be top 10 at his position, but that's ok, as neither will matthews |
| pennywise | a good side argument....name who the top 10 pgs are in the league!!! |
| jeremyclips | You don't think Conley is a top 10 Pg in the league? You don't think he will be up there in a few years? Really...? I think he is currently a top 10 PG for sure, and I think he will continue to improve being only 24 years old. This season in the NBA conley is ranked no.1 stls and 8th in assists, he's not a big scorer but he doesn't need to be at Memphis. To me Conley is the best player in the deal (if you include current stats, contract and potential) but that is just my opinion. |
| badwolf | Depends on how you define mediocre. Is he top 10 pg in the league? Will he be there in few years.? The answer to both is clear no, so he is mediocre at best. |
| badwolf | Depends on how you define mediocre. Is he top 10 pg in the league? Will he be there in few years.? The answer to both is clear no, so he is mediocre at best. |
| pennywise | hell yeah you did....Battie is an ultimate team lynchpin!!! :) |
| jeremyclips | Perhaps I gave up Tony Battie a bit cheap though.... |
| jeremyclips | I don't really need to comment again because I have already stated my intentions and perspective, but Im going to add- Mike Conley isn't a mediocre player, at 24 his skill set is great. To me it sounds like mig is looking at the pts category and freaking out. Sure I traded Boozer and Matthews- both good scorers but Boozer cannot defend (matthews is solid) and I picked up Allen- Elite defender, a starting PG and Defensive C- Those were the pieces I wanted to reshape the team and I am happy with the contracts I picked up. Good trade for both. |
| proid | umm, it looks better on paper as far as Big names go. But the clips are dead last in defensive efficiency and despite having a trio of great offensive players they were one of the worst shooting teams in the league. That round peg won't fit in that square hole no matter how hard you hit it. Sometimes you have to know when to say this isn't working, time to change philosophies ;) |
| pennywise | Im #80.....i still think its a better trade for dallas. But I do understand what clips.are trying to do |
| proid | Overall I have to agree with Nick. As long as a New GM can demonstrate that he has a plausible understanding about what it is that he is trying to accomplish, he should make any deal he wants. It would also seem that Jeremy's understanding of the game is pretty much on point from what I can see. He has essentially traded for specific skill sets as opposed to trading for player names which is something that gets overlooked a lot. He's improved his ball-handling and defense. If he can pluck a half decent offensive player from the draft or via some other means the team will be pretty competitive imo. |
| nick | Oh by all means, please DO comment. We're already throwing a 78 comment bonanza here so why not haha....... it's a a comment paaaarrrrttttyyyyy! *streamers* |
| laddas | holy shit! I missed a lot over the last couple a days! I think it would be great if we could all meet in person, man what a night on the piss that'd be haha! I hate Boozer so i'd rather not comment cause it would be clearly biased lol |
| nick | 76 |
| badwolf | my points, i have to get involved in this thread :D. I think it's not a good deal, but neither a really bad one. Boozer for Varejao in NBA would be ok for many teams, taking into account contracts, it will probably get declined by Cavs FO. Then it's Matthews for Allen, Conley and three seconds. Did anyone notice how bad matthews is this year? regressed all over the statline, also not really cheap at 7M per year. Conley is another player that regressed on the offensive side of the game, and Nick, he's definition of mediocre PG, I'd say below avarage starter. This deal is really good for Dallas mostly cause of varejao's injury, his positional needs and cause Boozer might be a better NLL player then varejao,with emphasis on might. I'd love me some Varejao ;) |
| sheed36 | Damn it.. Its your fault i don't read all comments |
| pennywise | bump... |
| pennywise | after that comment, I have to post to get it to 80.... |
| Mavs4Life | 70 comments... has to be a record |
| greenmig | Ok I was wrong , my bad, this is a great deal for LAC... |
| dare | oops used the wrong word *write I mean, haha |
| leeroy | Lol threats ... So what context did you mean comments like "inside job", And " helping the new guy, not your old mate" then? Humor me |
| dare | somebody should right a comic sans font letter to the league to settle this one |
| nick | greenmig is the delusional one if he thinks conley is mediocre at best. |
| houndy | Well it was approved by 3 GM's, so 3 other GM's thought it was okay and even too |
| greenmig | haha dems fighting words. calm down its ok man, no need to take things out of context and issue threats. its just opinion, the big problem here is your's is clearly delusional thats all. you got your hands caught in the cookie jar, now you're coming out all big and strong with your bro trying to scare me off. you guys crack me up. keep going i got plenty more material ;p |
| houndy | Look Green, you've wanted to take good deals. Flashback to when I was just starting and you tried to take Kyle Lowry from me for freaking RICHARD JEFFERSON |
| houndy | Look Green, you've wanted to take good deals. Flashback to when I was just starting and you tried to take Kyle Lowry from me for freaking RICHARD JEFFERSON |
| nick | Conley is mediocre? He's currently leading the NBA in steals per game and #10 in assists. He's also only 24 and on a fantastic contract. I tried to get him myself at one stage. Varejao can't hold a candle to Boozer? Varejao was AVERAGING a double-double in the NBA before he went down. Something you can't say about Boozer. Cavs were also hovering around .500% while Varejao was playing and he was among the league leaders in "win shares", so he's clearly a key contributor in NBA. If you think Tony Allen is useless in NLL then you're wrong. His defensive ratings are rare and awesome. Think defense doesn't matter in NLL then you're wrong. Why do you think i traded Thornton? Miggy i think either you're just trying to stir shit. |
| leeroy | Green your the one implying that nick and dal are in it together to rip off the new guy I have no issue with your opinion of the trade just the fact that when dert calls something to do with the guys running the league 'shady' all hell breaks loose and he is attacked left right and center. Now your implying that same cheating and nothing is said about it because it's about regular gm's ... All I'm saying is get your facts straight before you start accusing guys of conspiring |
| smokey | Get your facts straight mug before you start trying to remind me Of something I didn't do. That so called article was written in the power rankings by VT and I don't know if it was deleted or not but that was not a news article at all so don't accuse me of something I didn't do buddy. I still stand by exactly what I have said in all my comments about the trade and I don't see that I need to come out here and say such things as that. I have already sai that I got a good deal mate but ones opinion will differ from another when it comes to it being so lop sided. And don't you dare ever accuse me an nick of cheating mate because that's what you did and I don't appreciate it at all. |
| houndy | @ Dare- Meh, once we get D-Rose and Rip back you're gonna be crying ;D |
| dare | @houndy but your team is currently out of the playoffs |
| houndy | I feel like the only new GM that made a pretty good blockbuster trade... |
| greenmig | hahah you guys are delusional. If we are into reminders here, can I remind you Dallas of your previous team news, (which got deleted very quickly I might add,) where you said something along the lines of: "dallas is excited about getting a starting pf and sg without giving up much" ...i must say when I read that I was like wtf? but yer now I see what you mean. you cooked up a storm buddy and you know it. calling me dert is just ridiculous and clearly shows you are clutching at straws leeroy - cmon man surely you can think of more than this to say. i love how you guys go to the personal attacks rather than focusing on the facts, FACT: Conley is mediocre and Varejao doesnt hold a candle to Boozer. FACT: Boozer is a stud and matthews is a guy who can dominate for 20ppg given time in the NLL. THe rest is just background noise. Note, I'm not hating on anyone here btw just in case you get confused again. At least PHI and others who make one sided deals acknowledge it. And yer I agree Gasol is now on the rise in CHA. It's all opinions but lets face it boys, why not just come clean and admit that you just committed daylight robbery rather than trying to paper over the scene of the crime. |
| nick | Perhaps i over-emphasized Boozer's contract and perhaps i overvalued Conley to LAC, but i don't think it's as bad a deal as some people are making out. Maybe i need my "brain examined" |
| pennywise | I was misunderstanding the "buddy system" but I get it now. You don't stop them from making trades that may not be as helpful, just offer advice on all things within the trade. My bad Nick, I thought you were basically the final say in it all, not merely just a consultant. It still got agreed upon by the panel anyway. I don't mind the trade minus the Wesley part. Just my opinion. |
| dare | yeah keep it rolling nick.. |
| nick | and lol @ dare |
| nick | @pennywise: I don't know why you're directing your gripes with the deal at me. What you and greenmig don't seem to understand is that i already told LAC everything you guys are saying!!! I already told him dallas does very well out of the trade. I already told him he should shop boozer for longer. I already told him matthews is a piece worth keeping. I already told him he may be overvaluing Varejao. He already knew all the risks about the deal but wanted to do it anyway. Quit getting over emotional everybody lol. LAC wanted a pass-first PG and a defensive C and to dump boozer's contract and that's exactly what he got. He knows what he's doing, he's not a typical dumbshit "new GM". He DOES have a plan in mind so just let the guy make his choices. I'm sick of every damn trade getting so scrutinized, it saps the enjoyment a bit. |
| dare | What is it over? I'm not done with my popcorn, more drama please... |
| Loose89 | Also with this deal, even though the clips gave up a good young swingman, there are plenty more in the draft, infact he could draw out a better player in the draft as well. So it's not like he will lose a good swingman for a while |
| badwolf | depth yes, but rebuilding pieces? |
| vt | As long as everyone is happy then it's a good deal. But be careful using the word "broke" in the same sentence as Anderson....lol. |
| jeremyclips | How is Varejao not a starter? How is Conley not a starter? I will grant that Allen isn't a starter in the NLL but Anderson and Mike are both good quality starters and both have nice contracts. Bottom line is Boozer's contract had to be shipped in order to rebuild, I didn't want to be stuck with it next year when it goes up to around 14-15 mil. Pennywise was the most accurate with his criticism- the Wes Matthews factor- which is a fair observation. I wanted to hold Matthews but I was comfortable shifting him in a deal that game me depth and rebuilding pieces. To me Conley is the best player in the whole deal- he is ranked highest in Nba ranking, has the best contract and has potential to grow into the future. Anderson broke out a bit this year too. I feel like the deal compliments my team and my development into the future, so Im not fazed by the people who dislike the deal. Natural growth will make my team a contender, I am confident. |
| leeroy | love the double standards in this place.... Greenmig=dert now. maybe get your facts straight before you start accusing people of cheating, insider trading whatever. Nick is friends with LAC gm so i don't see where your info came from that hes out helping an 'old mate' in DAL. Only reason this one went through to the keeper is that your weren't dumb enough to accuse the guys running the league like our old mate Dert did. |
| smokey | Yeah that is fact mate. But fact is Conley would start over any of them in a heart beat if I disnt find a good profile with sessions in at the starting job. So just because I had him as 6th man that means he is not a starter? Please give me a break! And to say its low risk for me is a bit far fetched I am looking at a total player payment of about 80mil next year so there is risk involved. Before this goes around on circles like all comment post do I'm finished. It's all done people are entitled to an opinion but at the end of te day of both gm's are happy then that's all that matters. Cheers. |
| vt | If you can't win an argument just browbeat us with the same post over and over. LOL! |
| smokey | Firstly can I just remind you greenmig what you said in the comments section of the clips news? Opinions on players differ from person to person. People see different qualities in certain players and will trade accordingly. Now To be honest I. Know I got a good deal but I am baffled as to how I didn't give up a starter according to a few? Offensive wise Allen is not up there with other players but defense is a huge part of the game look at Denver's roster now! Conley allen and varejao are all starters in the NBA but apparently just because they don't put up 20ppf that doesn't qualify them as a starter? At the end of the day clips and I were happy doing the deal and obviously we (and a few others aswell) think its fair and have different opinions on the players that were involved. |
| smokey | Firstly can I just remind you greenmig what you said in the comments section of the clips news? Opinions on players differ from person to person. People see different qualities in certain players and will trade accordingly. Now To be honest I. Know I got a good deal but I am baffled as to how I didn't give up a starter according to a few? Offensive wise Allen is not up there with other players but defense is a huge part of the game look at Denver's roster now! Conley allen and varejao are all starters in the NBA but apparently just because they don't put up 20ppf that doesn't qualify them as a starter? At the end of the day clips and I were happy doing the deal and obviously we (and a few others aswell) think its fair and have different opinions on the players that were involved. |
| vt | I'm not saying they can't be starters in the league (hell, Daniel Orton is a starter). My point is this was a low risk deal for YOU because you didn't move any of YOUR starters. That's all. |
| vt | Fact: your starting lineup before the deal: Hawes, Hansbrough, Melo, Dragic, Sesssions. Not sure what's opinion here? |
| smokey | But that's just an opinion and people are entitled To it. I still think Conley and varejao are very capable starters in this league. And even Allen would be also if you are able to use the coach profiles to your advantage you can win games with anyone starting. Look at HOU this year. And an even better example me last year. I had Patrick Patterson and donte Greene starting for me and I took my team to first in The west the proof is right there. Do your research and your team can be just as goo as the power houses! |
| smokey | But that's just an opinion and people are entitled To it. I still think Conley and varejao are very capable starters in this league. And even Allen would be also if you are able to use the coach profiles to your advantage you can win games with anyone starting. Look at HOU this year. And an even better example me last year. I had Patrick Patterson and donte Greene starting for me and I took my team to first in The west the proof is right there. Do your research and your team can be just as goo as the power houses! |
| smokey | Firstly can I just remind you greenmig what you said in the comments section of the clips news? Opinions on players differ from person to person. People see different qualities in certain players and will trade accordingly. Now To be honest I. Know I got a good deal but I am baffled as to how I didn't give up a starter according to a few? Offensive wise Allen is not up there with other players but defense is a huge part of the game look at Denver's roster now! Conley allen and varejao are all starters in the NBA but apparently just because they don't put up 20ppf that doesn't qualify them as a starter? At the end of the day clips and I were happy doing the deal and obviously we (and a few others aswell) think its fair and have different opinions on the players that were involved. |
| vt | I am not talking about NBA starters. I mean starters on your squad. |
| smokey | Firstly can I just remind you greenmig what you said in the comments section of the clips news? Opinions on players differ from person to person. People see different qualities in certain players and will trade accordingly. Now To be honest I. Know I got a good deal but I am baffled as to how I didn't give up a starter according to a few? Offensive wise Allen is not up there with other players but defense is a huge part of the game look at Denver's roster now! Conley allen and varejao are all starters in the NBA but apparently just because they don't put up 20ppf that doesn't qualify them as a starter? At the end of the day clips and I were happy doing the deal and obviously we (and a few others aswell) think its fair and have different opinions on the players that were involved. |
| vt | Just my two cents: I was also perplexed by the deal. It was the inclusion of Wes Matthews that confused me b/c if the trade was for the future, why not keep a promising young swingman who is now going to get loads of minutes in the NBA? I don't think it's a complete rip (and greenmig- my LMA is oodles more fair if you've seen Gasol's great ratings bump, you got the wrong CHA rape deal, bro), but I wish LAC had taken more time to shop around. In Nick's defense, he can't kill a deal. And he did spend time talking to Jeremy for it. But what a steal for DAL! He needed a starting PF and SG and got both without giving up a starting player on his squad! |
| pennywise | ooohh...another fun heated debate about how a trade went. Nick, so you were the "buddy GM"? I just think you should have helped him more. I know Jeremy was anxious to trade. He and I have discussed options often already. Personally, I get you wanted him to dump salary in boozer. I don't have a problem with that half of the trade. Wesley is a different story. He's a solid SG/SF in a league where that position is dominating stats. He would have been better off with Ellis at PG and Wes at the SG(that looks better than a backcourt of ellis and conley and you are still young there), trade Boozer for a SF and C. Conley is the only starting piece he gets back for giving up 2 starters,and it makes him smaller in the backcourt? Greeny is right, the rest of the trade is bench fodder. the picks are all going to be end of the draft picks, so it's laughable they are in the trade. That's like throwing 6 GM points at him, after you did the radio show, rookie rankings, and GOTW all in one week. Raja will more than likely retire after this season. Tony Allen, while one of the best defenders in NBA( this doesn't directly translate to NLL unfortunately...otherwise you'd never see Utah with Thabo on the block) can't shoot to save his life. I like Varejao for him, but I would have rather seen him move Boozer for Var and a SF, which would have been a GOOD trade for a young GM......Nick you may think I'm a miser as do some of the rest of the league, but I don't make trades that make my team worse(on paper, cuz I've been crap after moving zaza of all people for marion). I just feel that Jeremy could have moved these pieces separately and gotten WAY MORE!!!!! And no hating on you, Dallas. If I would have gotten a chance to make my team THAT MUCH BETTER for what you gave up, I'd have traded with Clips too. |
| nick | Well there is no right or wrong when it comes to "opinions" on trades. Everybody has a different perception of players and if you think Conley is average at best then our "opinions" differ largely. Also let me be clear that as a "buddy gm" i am supposed to have jeremy discuss the deal with me first before it gets approved. My job isn't to STOP him doing what he wants to do, only to make him aware. He's aware. We discussed the deal at length but ultimately it is jeremy's choice that he wanted to make so who am i to veto it? He's the one in charge of the clips, not me. Also, no bias towards DAL here miggy since jeremy is a good friend of mine in real life lol |
| jaz | And I though I did bad trades. |
| greenmig | jeremy, interesting comment mate since you have no clue who i am. i havent actually hated on you at all. i am just commenting on the deal and how lopsided it is and how im shocked your vet gm agreed to it. i dont buy, (neither does a few other vet gm's in this thread) this 'future' you have been peddled by DAL as conley is average at best. you got sold a dud man. im not hating on you at all. this is not about me, this is about the deal and my opinion of it. |
| greenmig | as a gm advisory you are supposed to help the new guy nick, not your old mate, perhaps you missed that part lololol...gg man call it as you will and grats for turning the discussion about me when its about you and dallas mate. lol dont try to change the focus |
| nick | Lol greenmig... you're just jealous that dallas has leapfrogged you in the west ;-) |
| jeremyclips | Who is this greenmig hater?? He sounds like a 15 year old xbox fan, not a man who's serious about NBA. He see's Boozer= good now- Dallas wins. I guess if you can acknowledge potential you can see the appeal in this deal. Especially when I was already losing with the so called "elite" Carlos Boozer and his whopping contract. Keep sending the hate, I will see you in 3-5 years... *sinking feeling when realizing you will be almost 30 when you can say "i told you so"* haha |
| WALLrus | i like this deal both ways, i think it makes dallas the 4th team in the west, i also really like the Monta, Conley, Thompson combo especially 2 or 3 years down the road when thompson matures. |
| greenmig | This trade makes the LMA trade almost look fair.... |
| badwolf | lol, miggy ;) i think you could do better but it's ok... maybe to much a trade for trding sake, it doesn't really help you much now or in the future... though i'd say varejao is certainly underrated aroud here... what do you want for him ;) |
| greenmig | They sold you a story about a contract on a guy who was riding the bench in return, blasphemy !! |
| greenmig | Boozer is an elite big man in his prime. You have to pay someone....why not pay a stud? Outrageous.. |
| jeremyclips | It's a new era. Looking back at that trade the old GM did for Lebron- I'd say thats a head scratcher. This is a move for the future, Bringing in some defensive players, waiting on the development of one of my PF's and hopefully signing a gun rookie in this season's draft. Let's not forget Boozer is 29 with a long contract where in his last season he will be on 17mil. Anderson gives me D at the C, Conley has a delightful contract and has room for improvement and I have picked up some extra depth pieces and late picks. Im more than happy with the deal and have started to rebuild around Monta with a good young core. |
| dunadan | headscratcher for the clips. they trade their #2 and #3 scorers for a smallish PG with mediocre shooting ratings and an injured C with no offense. boozer was one of the assets they got for lebron... |
| greenmig | well lets forget where my tongue is but i can tell you exactly who copped one the bread basket in this exchange, this smells like an inside job to me leeroy, i demand a full enquiry... |
| Loose89 | Sounded a little sarcastic to me leeroy.. lol |
| leeroy | not sure if you have the tongue firmly planted or not Greeny. if not id hardly call Conley or Varejao bench fodder |
| greenmig | outrageous trade for the mavs. whoever LAC buddy is needs to have his brain examined. this is an absolute outcry which needs a full league investigation. mavs get two starters in exchange for bench fodder, shocking! |
| smokey | This trade helps me right away. but it is also risky because at the end of this year and next, I have to PAY all my guys with extensions so it is now or never for a ring, unless I wanna sit in the Lux tax threshold. For Clips Conley seems very under rated around here, he is having a career year in the NBA and has a BRILLIANT contract which only peaks at 9mil at the end of the 5 years. To be honest I dont know what Allen can do in the NLL becuase I never gave him the chance, but he is also having a great year in the NBA and is half the price of Matthews. and varejao is a solid big man. I think both teams got what they wanted in the deal, which was for me to win now, and for Clips to get some good solid pieces and move forward with them. I also think the even though he is 6"3' Monta is better suited at the 2 position, and monta and conley in the back court is going to be great over the coming years. |
| Loose89 | I think it was a good move penny, I mean Boozer in 2k12 is average, he has a crap contract and the clips have 2 good young players that play in his position in Thompson and T. Thomas. He also gets a good young PG in return and a good defensive centre. |
| pennywise | Dallas may have solidified his team as a top 3 team out West after this move. |
| pennywise | Doesn't this new GM have a "buddy GM"...Whoever it was should have had him shop around more, instead of moving most of his trade bait in one single swoop |
| pennywise | I think it's ok trade for Clips....I think they undervalued both Boozer and Matthews. Conley is a solid PG, but he's already got Ellis, who runs PG well in NLL. Instead, now he's undersized in his backcourt. Also, Raja may retire after this season. Allen is a great defensive stopper, but his O is suspect. Varejao is a very good defensive C. Diebler and the 2nd rounders are throw ins for league to ok the trade. |
| jeremyclips | This trade makes Dallas better no doubt. But the trade isn't meant to make my team better. I wanted to bring in a great young PG on a sweet contract and got Conley. Also wanted a Defensive C to go with my youngish PF's Tyrus and Thompson. With Monta Ellis- and hopefully a high pick next year Im hoping the Clippers will become a contender in the future with this move. Im not done in the trade office yet though. Still have some moves to make. |
| darko | Those 2nd rounders will be in the 50s, so pretty much garbage unless he is extremely lucky. |
| nick | Granted, Clippers could probably have gotten more for Boozer and Matthews but i still like the trade for them |
| nick | I think this is one of those rare trades that is good for both teams. Clippers get Boozer's contract off their books, and secure their PG of the future in Conley. They also get a decent defensive center in Vrejao. Dallas on the other hand round out their starting 5 very very nicely and look scary going into the playoffs. I feel like they're a genuine contender along with me and SAC now. |
| Mavs4Life | A good deal, especially with LAC's position, draft picks help. Plus the 4 of the 5 players can play well. Dallas gets to immediate talents as it contiues to try to get a title. |
| darko | I like it for dallas. Instand starting PF, and Matthews is a good SG for him. He also has Sessions to start at PG so Conley is expendable. |
| leeroy | I like this one for both teams.. Dallas for the higher talent in their win now mode and Conley is nice, varejao is way cheaper than boozer and is no slouch ... Picks can't hurt either. Good deal |
| Loose89 | I like this trade for the clippers, just for the fact they get Boozer (certainly plays like he's on it) off their books. They also get a good young PG in Conley back. But my blind hatred for Boozer and his stupid contract may blind me from the other pieces in this trade |
| Mavs4Life | really..... |
| jaz | Thank you. |
| Loose89 | Great signing... xD |
| proid | Well, he is an 80 as a SG. But as a PG he drops to a 76. Which is still pretty good. Not sure how its all going to work with Beasley dressed as a coach instead of a player though. |
| greenmig | Yer I'll be shocked if NJ lose another game... |
| laddas | 80!?!!?!?! wowwwww! yep agree greeny! Its nets trophy to lose.... |
| greenmig | Arenas rating - 80! Just hand NJ the trophy already.... |
| vt | start boyd at C! |
| greenmig | rofl |
| houndy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lu6UP228kw&context=C41de051ADvjVQa1PpcFM47OTfEO2e0zNa6o7c3cSE6uzvXiJPI2M= |
| vt | just got to an OKC team by team |
| greenmig | re-link the boyd dance i wanna see that shit again rofl |
| nick | lol |
| proid | I did the Boyd Dance :) |
| greenmig | Dude arenas is huge. I went to the conference finals on his back last year. He will be massive for nj. |
| Mavs4Life | I really think Arenas could be big for New Jersey. |
| alejandro | It was very close, Arenas might be one of those vets that would favor playing time over wins, but yeah you cant have a custom set of rules for every single case. |
| daved | i'm sure gilbert would prefer playing behind nash and wade instead of alongside ray ... hahaha |
| daved | you win some you lose a whole lot more ... lol |
| greenmig | yer gilbert, wade, wallace, beasley and nash, miles off the bench is ridiculous. we may as well hand them the trophy right now! |
| nick | Wow Nets are even scarier now. Gilbert still has great ratings. Poor hornets!!! |
| greenmig | Huge signing. Nets now best team out East. Title favourites!! |
| vt | Dert is truly gone. |
| nick | Manu insurance, lol |
| sheed36 | Someone retire his jersey |
| badwolf | when all contracts expire, ie up to 4 years |
| nick | I completely forgot that we all have amnesty in our disposal... when do they expire?? |
| greenmig | fair bump play on...;) |
| darko | He has a big contract and isnt going to be a part of my future plans. Id rather buy him out this season than use my Amnesty in the offseason. |
| greenmig | oh. why are you buying garcia out, if i may ask....(sorry im bored at work) |
| darko | I signed him so i would have enough salary to buy garcia out and still be above the salary minimum. Now i just have to earn enough gm points to buy him out. |
| greenmig | forgive me for asking but why on earth would anyone sign this guy? |
| smokey | I like this for CHA... Nene is still a center in my eyes and not a PF, so Utah has two starting centers now, but it might work for him... time will tell!! |
| nick | Yeh good trade for both teams. Looks like CHA has learned from his mistakes! |
| houndy | Nice trade by CHA |
| badwolf | nice trade for both teams |
| jaz | Double post my bad. |
| jaz | I might go 0 - 4 this week :( |
| darko | nice job charlotte. |
| sheed36 | TRADE MASTER! |
| jaz | I might go 0 - 4 this week :( |
| pennywise | I think this helps both teams....Cha needs more depth and picks, Utah needed a more dominant PF...very solid for both |
| magritte | I like this for Charlotte - yes, Nene is a good center which is hard to find, but if you are going to move him, this is a nice haul to bring back |
| royal | yeah, pretty good deal for CHA. But I also like it for UTA, his starting 5 looks great, except he needs to find a better PG. Maybe Arenas? |
| vt | Another winner for CHA. |
| smokey | I like this for CHA... Nene is still a center in my eyes and not a PF, so Utah has two starting centers now, but it might work for him... time will tell!! |
| nick | Yeh good trade for both teams. Looks like CHA has learned from his mistakes! |
| houndy | Nice trade by CHA |
| badwolf | nice trade for both teams |
| jaz | Double post my bad. |
| jaz | I might go 0 - 4 this week :( |
| darko | nice job charlotte. |
| sheed36 | TRADE MASTER! |
| jaz | I might go 0 - 4 this week :( |
| pennywise | I think this helps both teams....Cha needs more depth and picks, Utah needed a more dominant PF...very solid for both |
| magritte | I like this for Charlotte - yes, Nene is a good center which is hard to find, but if you are going to move him, this is a nice haul to bring back |
| royal | yeah, pretty good deal for CHA. But I also like it for UTA, his starting 5 looks great, except he needs to find a better PG. Maybe Arenas? |
| vt | Another winner for CHA. |
| dare | It's because he wants his team to win |
| laddas | Sorry to bring it up again butttttt..... Odoms line today v lakers 1pnt 1reb 1ast 24MINS!!! |
| WALLrus | vt, I've actually seen it, my mom watches it , its just a bunch of people yelling at each other, the 2 youngest sisters are like my age and r really hot |
| badwolf | dirk and blake on the list? |
| greenmig | as they say "behind the downfall of every great man is a woman!" |
| vt | and yeah- i totally agree with you greeny. have you ever even seen that show?! i sure as hell haven't. |
| Loose89 | Nail on the head greeny... IMO the Kardashians are toxic, all a bunch of fame and money wh*res |
| vt | Is your wife why you quit the NLL for a few yrs, miggy? ;) |
| greenmig | I'd say its cos of his useless missus. She hates Dallas cos she wants to be in the LA limelight. As they say happy wife, happy life and vice versa... I also agree that Jordan is on there but Griffin and Dirk really? I would say one guy missing off the list is S-Jax though! |
| pennywise | nice article vt |
| vt | http://hoopshype.com/columns/johnson/the-top-10-disappointments-of-the-season |
| laddas | Seen it coming ;) |
| badwolf | but where, who would trade for Odom? he's the worst player in the league this year, is due a lot of money this year and is semi guaranteed next year... terrible combination |
| WALLrus | he will b traded in the NBA by next week |
| proid | This appears to be some one game scenario. He is supposed to return to the Mavs lineup at the end of the week. You have to wonder what in the world is going on with him though because it seems like a rather unusual course of action on the Mavs part if they are trying to motivate someone that is so mentally fragile. |
| Loose89 | So glad i traded him earlier in the year for Barbosa! |
| greenmig | Lamar Odom assigned to the NBA D-League. Do we change Laddas' name to nostradamus now? Great trade for the magic! |
| pennywise | Hey, I'm on his side...I like how active he is...and I can appreciate someone wanting to make their team their own...I've got lots of things I still want to change also...I'm just not as good at getting people to agree to trades I guess ;) |
| nick | I think GSW has taken enough criticism for 1 week, that's enough. Atleast he is active and enthusiastic. |
| houndy | well now you've sorta killed your team. I haven't even gotten the slightest idea of what your original team was |
| WALLrus | i still didn't feel like this was my team, just the team i took over, now i feel like this is my team or pretty darn close |
| houndy | just a question, why making these trades so early? Why not waiting? |
| WALLrus | there is barbosa in Charlotte, Crawford in Denver, Harden in NY, terry in OKC, Tyreke Evans in Sacramento and Odem, there was no order but he is in the top 5, not top 3, top 5 is still pretty good |
| houndy | Odom is not a top 3 caliber 6th man anymore |
| greenmig | wait wait.....dont talk too soon....with the 2k12 engine i bet if you start emmett he would outplay many a higher rated player, quite likely score 10+ppg and possibly turn the GS warriors into contenders...LOL |
| vt | I was gonna ask what would happen if Rudy goes down...now I don't need to... |
| leeroy | well at least he isn't scared to make a deal... I'm sure he can easily find a guard or 2 my shifting some of the assets he has on the roster. |
| nick | As scrubby as they come basically. Not a reliable option. |
| laddas | .....in the d-league maybe. hes a guy that was drafted back in '04 and is turning 30 this year and has made 14 CAREER games in the NBA and averaged a whopping 5.1MPG.... |
| WALLrus | when he get decent time he is playing pretty well |
| laddas | emmett is a sg/sf. The nets brought him in to replace bogans, i have no idea if they're going to keep him though... |
| WALLrus | no, on espn and nba both said his primary position was SG and his secondary was SF |
| dare | lol I mean a PG, always thought that Emmett is a forward |
| darko | He is a 6'5" Power forward/center. |
| dare | Andre Emmett is not a guard |
| Mavs4Life | Hmm.... I would like it but as said GS full of bigs, but hey maybe it''ll help there d, but now there a strong inside team. |
| WALLrus | im signing someone for your info |
| vt | yay! MORE TRADES! |
| leeroy | if GSW can shift some guys to balance up the roster then odom is a good role player in NLL |
| vt | but you have chris singleton playing backup sg and you have no backup pg. people aren't saying the trade is bad on paper...just bad for your team when you have so many similar guys.. |
| WALLrus | cmon guys, in less playing time odem averaged 4 more points, 0.2 less rebounds, one more assist and half a block and half a steel than both miller and battier combined |
| laddas | Yeah that's the way I looked at it leeroy. I'm a big fan of battier and he will continue to be solid right until he retires. I don't like millers contract but he is playing well in the nba, 52% fg 51% 3pnt at a PER of 14.2 from the pine, not too bad |
| leeroy | No doubt laddas. Just making the point that odom is nowhere near a top 6 th man any more. Just needs wise he doesn't fit in GSW |
| WALLrus | but vt, with 2 of the centers, oden is out at least the rest of this year, and villanueva u never know when he will come back, multiple times this year multiple sources said he was gone b on the court any day |
| darko | Gasol and Battier back together for another championship run. |
| laddas | Leeroy if it was 12-18 months ago odom I wouldn't of done it ;) |
| WALLrus | well all 3 players are in the twilight of their careers, odem i will owing money for one more years possible 2, they other guys ill b owing money to for 3 or more years |
| leeroy | I like this deal for GSW if it was 12 to 18 months ago.... Odom isn't very good right now. So I guess orl gets the better end 2 role players instead of 1 |
| WALLrus | not what i meant, hope battier and miller work out better in orlando then they did in GS |
| WALLrus | it worked out for both of us, both guys wernt doing much for me, i got one of the best 6th men in the league and you got 2 good role players, i hope they workout better for u than for me |
| laddas | Odom was important for me but I get 2 guys who are playing well and important parts of theyre nba team. Odoms mindset worries me atm. Also I'm a massive fan of battier and since a lot of perimeter guys dominate this year, I figure why not get one of the BEST perimeter defenders :) |
| greenmig | Rofl vt. I counted 7, maybe 8.....still a lot |
| WALLrus | i know I'm signing a guard, and looking 2 sign another or trade hollins for one |
| vt | 11 of your guys are either centers or pfs. |
| WALLrus | traded my 10th and 11th man for a top 3 caliber 6th man |
| dare | It's because he wants his team to win |
| laddas | Sorry to bring it up again butttttt..... Odoms line today v lakers 1pnt 1reb 1ast 24MINS!!! |
| WALLrus | vt, I've actually seen it, my mom watches it , its just a bunch of people yelling at each other, the 2 youngest sisters are like my age and r really hot |
| badwolf | dirk and blake on the list? |
| greenmig | as they say "behind the downfall of every great man is a woman!" |
| vt | and yeah- i totally agree with you greeny. have you ever even seen that show?! i sure as hell haven't. |
| Loose89 | Nail on the head greeny... IMO the Kardashians are toxic, all a bunch of fame and money wh*res |
| vt | Is your wife why you quit the NLL for a few yrs, miggy? ;) |
| greenmig | I'd say its cos of his useless missus. She hates Dallas cos she wants to be in the LA limelight. As they say happy wife, happy life and vice versa... I also agree that Jordan is on there but Griffin and Dirk really? I would say one guy missing off the list is S-Jax though! |
| pennywise | nice article vt |
| vt | http://hoopshype.com/columns/johnson/the-top-10-disappointments-of-the-season |
| laddas | Seen it coming ;) |
| badwolf | but where, who would trade for Odom? he's the worst player in the league this year, is due a lot of money this year and is semi guaranteed next year... terrible combination |
| WALLrus | he will b traded in the NBA by next week |
| proid | This appears to be some one game scenario. He is supposed to return to the Mavs lineup at the end of the week. You have to wonder what in the world is going on with him though because it seems like a rather unusual course of action on the Mavs part if they are trying to motivate someone that is so mentally fragile. |
| Loose89 | So glad i traded him earlier in the year for Barbosa! |
| greenmig | Lamar Odom assigned to the NBA D-League. Do we change Laddas' name to nostradamus now? Great trade for the magic! |
| pennywise | Hey, I'm on his side...I like how active he is...and I can appreciate someone wanting to make their team their own...I've got lots of things I still want to change also...I'm just not as good at getting people to agree to trades I guess ;) |
| nick | I think GSW has taken enough criticism for 1 week, that's enough. Atleast he is active and enthusiastic. |
| houndy | well now you've sorta killed your team. I haven't even gotten the slightest idea of what your original team was |
| WALLrus | i still didn't feel like this was my team, just the team i took over, now i feel like this is my team or pretty darn close |
| houndy | just a question, why making these trades so early? Why not waiting? |
| WALLrus | there is barbosa in Charlotte, Crawford in Denver, Harden in NY, terry in OKC, Tyreke Evans in Sacramento and Odem, there was no order but he is in the top 5, not top 3, top 5 is still pretty good |
| houndy | Odom is not a top 3 caliber 6th man anymore |
| greenmig | wait wait.....dont talk too soon....with the 2k12 engine i bet if you start emmett he would outplay many a higher rated player, quite likely score 10+ppg and possibly turn the GS warriors into contenders...LOL |
| vt | I was gonna ask what would happen if Rudy goes down...now I don't need to... |
| leeroy | well at least he isn't scared to make a deal... I'm sure he can easily find a guard or 2 my shifting some of the assets he has on the roster. |
| nick | As scrubby as they come basically. Not a reliable option. |
| laddas | .....in the d-league maybe. hes a guy that was drafted back in '04 and is turning 30 this year and has made 14 CAREER games in the NBA and averaged a whopping 5.1MPG.... |
| WALLrus | when he get decent time he is playing pretty well |
| laddas | emmett is a sg/sf. The nets brought him in to replace bogans, i have no idea if they're going to keep him though... |
| WALLrus | no, on espn and nba both said his primary position was SG and his secondary was SF |
| dare | lol I mean a PG, always thought that Emmett is a forward |
| darko | He is a 6'5" Power forward/center. |
| dare | Andre Emmett is not a guard |
| Mavs4Life | Hmm.... I would like it but as said GS full of bigs, but hey maybe it''ll help there d, but now there a strong inside team. |
| WALLrus | im signing someone for your info |
| vt | yay! MORE TRADES! |
| leeroy | if GSW can shift some guys to balance up the roster then odom is a good role player in NLL |
| vt | but you have chris singleton playing backup sg and you have no backup pg. people aren't saying the trade is bad on paper...just bad for your team when you have so many similar guys.. |
| WALLrus | cmon guys, in less playing time odem averaged 4 more points, 0.2 less rebounds, one more assist and half a block and half a steel than both miller and battier combined |
| laddas | Yeah that's the way I looked at it leeroy. I'm a big fan of battier and he will continue to be solid right until he retires. I don't like millers contract but he is playing well in the nba, 52% fg 51% 3pnt at a PER of 14.2 from the pine, not too bad |
| leeroy | No doubt laddas. Just making the point that odom is nowhere near a top 6 th man any more. Just needs wise he doesn't fit in GSW |
| WALLrus | but vt, with 2 of the centers, oden is out at least the rest of this year, and villanueva u never know when he will come back, multiple times this year multiple sources said he was gone b on the court any day |
| darko | Gasol and Battier back together for another championship run. |
| laddas | Leeroy if it was 12-18 months ago odom I wouldn't of done it ;) |
| WALLrus | well all 3 players are in the twilight of their careers, odem i will owing money for one more years possible 2, they other guys ill b owing money to for 3 or more years |
| leeroy | I like this deal for GSW if it was 12 to 18 months ago.... Odom isn't very good right now. So I guess orl gets the better end 2 role players instead of 1 |
| WALLrus | not what i meant, hope battier and miller work out better in orlando then they did in GS |
| WALLrus | it worked out for both of us, both guys wernt doing much for me, i got one of the best 6th men in the league and you got 2 good role players, i hope they workout better for u than for me |
| laddas | Odom was important for me but I get 2 guys who are playing well and important parts of theyre nba team. Odoms mindset worries me atm. Also I'm a massive fan of battier and since a lot of perimeter guys dominate this year, I figure why not get one of the BEST perimeter defenders :) |
| greenmig | Rofl vt. I counted 7, maybe 8.....still a lot |
| WALLrus | i know I'm signing a guard, and looking 2 sign another or trade hollins for one |
| vt | 11 of your guys are either centers or pfs. |
| WALLrus | traded my 10th and 11th man for a top 3 caliber 6th man |
| greenmig | who's the real slim shady? ;) |
| vt | i don't |
| magritte | Dert would've said shady. Haha. I miss him already. |
| houndy | np |
| dare | Ok with my team having around 7M cap space I'm willing to buy some crappy contracts for some points too. PM me guys.. |
| nick | I paid houndy to get hughes off my payroll, since the manu trade put me back over the lux |
| dare | He had 2 gm points for signing Hughes |
| laddas | Why houndy? Know something we don't? |
| Loose89 | signing of the season |
| nick | Thx |
| nick | yawn :) |
| greenmig | cha: gasol, anderson, budinger, salmons, shumpert and jefferson is pretty decent on paper. okc: if miller can help mesh z-bo & s-jax look out. |
| darko | Yeah charlotte has enough talent now to make a playoff run! |
| Loose89 | I needed a second Small Forward, both for this season and next season and while his contract maybe on the expensive side (for his age) I believe both teams got players they needed minus shelden. I now have to Small Forwards i could start if needed so i'm happy with the added depth, while im sure magritte is happy he has a point guard that plays more than 2 minutes a game in RL.... he also picks up a couple GM points he desperately needs lol. |
| darko | IDK what happened with the old bobcats gm but this new guy is doing well. |
| magritte | I think CHA gets the better players in this trade, no doubt, especially with Miller now injured. I am hopeful Miller can be back soon since I really needed a starting caliber PG, but most importantly, this gets 10 million off my books for next season, and with so many wing players under contract already, RJ was expendable. |
| badwolf | r-jeff is solid nll player, overpaid, but for miller? guess they're not rebuilding after all |
| royal | I knew Charlotte wouldn't keep that good trade streak much longer :D |
| nick | yawn :) |
| greenmig | cha: gasol, anderson, budinger, salmons, shumpert and jefferson is pretty decent on paper. okc: if miller can help mesh z-bo & s-jax look out. |
| darko | Yeah charlotte has enough talent now to make a playoff run! |
| Loose89 | I needed a second Small Forward, both for this season and next season and while his contract maybe on the expensive side (for his age) I believe both teams got players they needed minus shelden. I now have to Small Forwards i could start if needed so i'm happy with the added depth, while im sure magritte is happy he has a point guard that plays more than 2 minutes a game in RL.... he also picks up a couple GM points he desperately needs lol. |
| darko | IDK what happened with the old bobcats gm but this new guy is doing well. |
| magritte | I think CHA gets the better players in this trade, no doubt, especially with Miller now injured. I am hopeful Miller can be back soon since I really needed a starting caliber PG, but most importantly, this gets 10 million off my books for next season, and with so many wing players under contract already, RJ was expendable. |
| badwolf | r-jeff is solid nll player, overpaid, but for miller? guess they're not rebuilding after all |
| royal | I knew Charlotte wouldn't keep that good trade streak much longer :D |
| houndy | So BrandoN Wright for Aminu? |
| houndy | So BrandoN Wright for Aminu? |
| leeroy | Damn.... Might give Blatche the kick in the ass he needs. And it definitely helps my NLL top pick prospects :) so not all bad |
| pennywise | sorry to be bearer of bad news but.... http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-wizards/2012/3/20/2887673/andray-blatche-shut-down-injury-wizards-randy-wittman |
| greenmig | Omg drama... |
| pennywise | lol...I'm not making you out to be the bad guy either...you just took it that way. My responses were about how you were downplaying everything surrounding Blatche. Look, either way, the trade is already done...If I was trying to screw you over, or go at you, I would have posted the 3 different articles about Blatche on the insider before you had a chance to trade him....I didn't make you out to be a "bad guy", but you were trying to quell a comment that I was over-exaggerating about Blatche, when I posted a weblink that states clear as day that he's all but finished in DC. You're taking this like a personal assault. Truth be told, you made out on the trade...no worries, that was my initial comments...what I thought was weak was how you tried to smooth it all over and play it off....You are a shrewd GM, but that's nothing to be ashamed of |
| darko | So you are trying to make me look like a bad guy? I knew about the boos, i wrote about it in my news even before the trade. Yes you showed me that article before, but i really dont believe its that bad that they will send him home. In fact his last 3 games he has been getting more minutes with each game. Also ive made it known i was looking to move blatche since january, i wasnt trying to move him fast over this stuff which has happened within the last week since his nba return. So please give it a rest. |
| pennywise | I'm not trying to rub it in Leeroy. I'm more at Darko, who already knew this stuff, which was why he was trying to sell Blatche so fast, but trying to play it all off now. @ Houndy, Yes, I do understand that this one particular article is biased, as it is the Washington Post, but they have even had these discussions on NBA tv and TNT about Blatche. Look, he's an odd situation...but truth be told, if he gets traded, he may come out of this ok....I"m rooting for you Leeroy, because I would like to see Blatche show that he was worth all that 2 years from now, when we are looking back. |
| houndy | jus letting you know that article is obviously biased towards blatche leaving... |
| leeroy | we get it mate, darko cleaned up.. maybe he knew something maybe he didn't. i didnt and i got a deal i liked cause Blatche is good in 2k... if i got swindled so be it. |
| pennywise | says the man that got 3 draft picks and 2 players for Blatche :) |
| leeroy | Guess we will see within the next week. Fingers crossed darko |
| darko | I think pennywise is blowing it out of proportion. That article didnt say the wizards are going to send him home, the person who wrote it suggested that they do that. That doesnt mean it will happen, or even that the wizards are thinking about it. The way it looks to me is they are putting him back in the game slowly because of his lack of playing time, because he isnt in game shape. Just wait and see what happens, but making it out like blatches career is over is stupid. |
| leeroy | seems that way greeny.... my team is fucked royally anyway so i guess whats it matter? |
| greenmig | damn americans privvy to all the good info...us poor aussies are just mushrooms leeroy >< |
| leeroy | cool. would be nice to have masses of info like some... kinda hard to get a lot of info down here... anyway, lowry is out now and if we add blatche to the list then the tanking starts (not that i need to try) and we get a top 4 pick worst case... |
| pennywise | lol...this isn't blowing over with the fans. Mark my words, Blatche will have played his last year this year in Wash. They have been aggressively shopping him, but no one in the league is willing to take him. Guy has been labelled as a cancer. They are already discussing him being sent home and not being on the active roster after the trade deadline if they cant ship him out. If this league didn't take players off your active roster when they are taken off active rosters in the NBA, this is great trade for Leeroy, unfortunately, after the 15th, if the Wiz send him home, he's gonna be inactive on leeroy's roster too. |
| nick | yeh Blatche still has more natural talent than a lot of players |
| darko | Im pretty sure he is going to be fine, it will blow over with the fans. He has talent, even if Wizards amnesty him he will sign somewhere else and Spurs get a discount on his contract. |
| nick | Wow. I knew his ego was bad, but didn't realise it would become THIS big of a problem. Getting booed at home?? wow |
| houndy | this prob would've never happened if Al didn't get hurt.. stupid Al |
| leeroy | God Fucking damnit |
| greenmig | wow pretty dire forecast on blatche... |
| pennywise | http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/andray-blatche-and-wizards-a-marriage-that-cant-be-saved/2012/03/09/gIQAl6681R_story.html |
| pennywise | Why do you think Darko was so willing to move him this week....he knows what I know...Blatche can't play anymore, the Wash fans are in his head...he's scared to touch the ball |
| pennywise | Blatche is gonna have big stat ratings drop every 5 weeks, until the end of the season...you better hope he stays on a team...Wiz are talking that if he don't get traded this season, he's getting amnestied in the offseason..they want him off their roster |
| Mavs4Life | penny, if we were talking about real life I would agree, but in 2K Blatche is great, and BJ struggles, even if he starts. Other than that 1st rounder this is pretty much a SA steal IMO. |
| pennywise | I think darko made a great trade here...potential steal...3 draft picks and BJ Mullens for a guy that had one tremendous season and has yet to get back to that form |
| nick | Wow Blatche's value has dropped since i had him... BJ Mullens is a bum who is lucky to be getting playing time in NBA charlotte... the picks are nifty though i spose |
| magritte | Then I kinda like it for Darko - sorry Leeroy. Blatche is best player, but I like Mullens upside and a late 1st and at least one early second are pretty good. Pretty even overall, but I think WAS got decent value for their disgruntled big man |
| leeroy | yeah sorry should have been clearer. mil 1st to was |
| darko | Wizards get Bucks #1. |
| smokey | Horford and blatche!!! Nice combo for next year!! |
| magritte | Who gets the 1st rounder? |
| leeroy | trade aalso includes mil's 1st rounder |
| laddas | Umm I don't know about this one darko. You gave up gasol to get blatche. |
| leeroy | Damn.... Might give Blatche the kick in the ass he needs. And it definitely helps my NLL top pick prospects :) so not all bad |
| pennywise | sorry to be bearer of bad news but.... http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-wizards/2012/3/20/2887673/andray-blatche-shut-down-injury-wizards-randy-wittman |
| greenmig | Omg drama... |
| pennywise | lol...I'm not making you out to be the bad guy either...you just took it that way. My responses were about how you were downplaying everything surrounding Blatche. Look, either way, the trade is already done...If I was trying to screw you over, or go at you, I would have posted the 3 different articles about Blatche on the insider before you had a chance to trade him....I didn't make you out to be a "bad guy", but you were trying to quell a comment that I was over-exaggerating about Blatche, when I posted a weblink that states clear as day that he's all but finished in DC. You're taking this like a personal assault. Truth be told, you made out on the trade...no worries, that was my initial comments...what I thought was weak was how you tried to smooth it all over and play it off....You are a shrewd GM, but that's nothing to be ashamed of |
| darko | So you are trying to make me look like a bad guy? I knew about the boos, i wrote about it in my news even before the trade. Yes you showed me that article before, but i really dont believe its that bad that they will send him home. In fact his last 3 games he has been getting more minutes with each game. Also ive made it known i was looking to move blatche since january, i wasnt trying to move him fast over this stuff which has happened within the last week since his nba return. So please give it a rest. |
| pennywise | I'm not trying to rub it in Leeroy. I'm more at Darko, who already knew this stuff, which was why he was trying to sell Blatche so fast, but trying to play it all off now. @ Houndy, Yes, I do understand that this one particular article is biased, as it is the Washington Post, but they have even had these discussions on NBA tv and TNT about Blatche. Look, he's an odd situation...but truth be told, if he gets traded, he may come out of this ok....I"m rooting for you Leeroy, because I would like to see Blatche show that he was worth all that 2 years from now, when we are looking back. |
| houndy | jus letting you know that article is obviously biased towards blatche leaving... |
| leeroy | we get it mate, darko cleaned up.. maybe he knew something maybe he didn't. i didnt and i got a deal i liked cause Blatche is good in 2k... if i got swindled so be it. |
| pennywise | says the man that got 3 draft picks and 2 players for Blatche :) |
| leeroy | Guess we will see within the next week. Fingers crossed darko |
| darko | I think pennywise is blowing it out of proportion. That article didnt say the wizards are going to send him home, the person who wrote it suggested that they do that. That doesnt mean it will happen, or even that the wizards are thinking about it. The way it looks to me is they are putting him back in the game slowly because of his lack of playing time, because he isnt in game shape. Just wait and see what happens, but making it out like blatches career is over is stupid. |
| leeroy | seems that way greeny.... my team is fucked royally anyway so i guess whats it matter? |
| greenmig | damn americans privvy to all the good info...us poor aussies are just mushrooms leeroy >< |
| leeroy | cool. would be nice to have masses of info like some... kinda hard to get a lot of info down here... anyway, lowry is out now and if we add blatche to the list then the tanking starts (not that i need to try) and we get a top 4 pick worst case... |
| pennywise | lol...this isn't blowing over with the fans. Mark my words, Blatche will have played his last year this year in Wash. They have been aggressively shopping him, but no one in the league is willing to take him. Guy has been labelled as a cancer. They are already discussing him being sent home and not being on the active roster after the trade deadline if they cant ship him out. If this league didn't take players off your active roster when they are taken off active rosters in the NBA, this is great trade for Leeroy, unfortunately, after the 15th, if the Wiz send him home, he's gonna be inactive on leeroy's roster too. |
| nick | yeh Blatche still has more natural talent than a lot of players |
| darko | Im pretty sure he is going to be fine, it will blow over with the fans. He has talent, even if Wizards amnesty him he will sign somewhere else and Spurs get a discount on his contract. |
| nick | Wow. I knew his ego was bad, but didn't realise it would become THIS big of a problem. Getting booed at home?? wow |
| houndy | this prob would've never happened if Al didn't get hurt.. stupid Al |
| leeroy | God Fucking damnit |
| greenmig | wow pretty dire forecast on blatche... |
| pennywise | http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/andray-blatche-and-wizards-a-marriage-that-cant-be-saved/2012/03/09/gIQAl6681R_story.html |
| pennywise | Why do you think Darko was so willing to move him this week....he knows what I know...Blatche can't play anymore, the Wash fans are in his head...he's scared to touch the ball |
| pennywise | Blatche is gonna have big stat ratings drop every 5 weeks, until the end of the season...you better hope he stays on a team...Wiz are talking that if he don't get traded this season, he's getting amnestied in the offseason..they want him off their roster |
| Mavs4Life | penny, if we were talking about real life I would agree, but in 2K Blatche is great, and BJ struggles, even if he starts. Other than that 1st rounder this is pretty much a SA steal IMO. |
| pennywise | I think darko made a great trade here...potential steal...3 draft picks and BJ Mullens for a guy that had one tremendous season and has yet to get back to that form |
| nick | Wow Blatche's value has dropped since i had him... BJ Mullens is a bum who is lucky to be getting playing time in NBA charlotte... the picks are nifty though i spose |
| magritte | Then I kinda like it for Darko - sorry Leeroy. Blatche is best player, but I like Mullens upside and a late 1st and at least one early second are pretty good. Pretty even overall, but I think WAS got decent value for their disgruntled big man |
| leeroy | yeah sorry should have been clearer. mil 1st to was |
| darko | Wizards get Bucks #1. |
| smokey | Horford and blatche!!! Nice combo for next year!! |
| magritte | Who gets the 1st rounder? |
| leeroy | trade aalso includes mil's 1st rounder |
| laddas | Umm I don't know about this one darko. You gave up gasol to get blatche. |
| sheed36 | I have a GaranSHEED on this trade. |
| badwolf | that was my first thought to, but he won't resign and he'll have about the same chance in FA as now |
| nick | I asked myself - why would sheed do this deal? Now i know... barbosa is Brazilian! :D |
| badwolf | what are you gonna do with all the little guys? you traded your best wing for Brown, you already got Lin and Knight and are weak at sf |
| Loose89 | I liked Leandro, look after him Indiana and bring him some success |
| dazman32 | Another 1st rounder that got away, gosh darn it. |
| nick | I like this deal for charlotte! Barbosa's contract is too big and they have no use for him... and they get a 1st round pick which could add a guy who will have more value than barbosa... jermaine is inured but that doesn't really matter... and 5 gm pts don't hurt... Meanwhile indiana are looking for pieces to make their team more dangerous on the court this season... good for both teams! |
| vt | Yeah- I advised Loose to do it. I think it works well in his favor and he now gets to take part in the draft day fun. |
| laddas | Nah not bad I reckon. Barbosa isn't really a use to you as your not in the playoff picture and he's too old to be part of a rebuild. Also Indy has fallen back into the 4 team pack vying for 7th and 8th position so his pick could be decent. |
| darko | Sorry i meant 2k, not Live. LOL. |
| darko | BAD TRADE!!!!! For indiana. Sure Barbosa is good in live, but bobcats suck and they need draft picks not old vets on 1 year deals. Indiana is trying to win now so it makes sense for both of you. But i wouldnt give up a 1st rounder for a 1 year rental. |
| Loose89 | 15 posts saying it was a bad trade in 3...2...1... |
| sheed36 | I have a GaranSHEED on this trade. |
| badwolf | that was my first thought to, but he won't resign and he'll have about the same chance in FA as now |
| nick | I asked myself - why would sheed do this deal? Now i know... barbosa is Brazilian! :D |
| badwolf | what are you gonna do with all the little guys? you traded your best wing for Brown, you already got Lin and Knight and are weak at sf |
| Loose89 | I liked Leandro, look after him Indiana and bring him some success |
| dazman32 | Another 1st rounder that got away, gosh darn it. |
| nick | I like this deal for charlotte! Barbosa's contract is too big and they have no use for him... and they get a 1st round pick which could add a guy who will have more value than barbosa... jermaine is inured but that doesn't really matter... and 5 gm pts don't hurt... Meanwhile indiana are looking for pieces to make their team more dangerous on the court this season... good for both teams! |
| vt | Yeah- I advised Loose to do it. I think it works well in his favor and he now gets to take part in the draft day fun. |
| laddas | Nah not bad I reckon. Barbosa isn't really a use to you as your not in the playoff picture and he's too old to be part of a rebuild. Also Indy has fallen back into the 4 team pack vying for 7th and 8th position so his pick could be decent. |
| darko | Sorry i meant 2k, not Live. LOL. |
| darko | BAD TRADE!!!!! For indiana. Sure Barbosa is good in live, but bobcats suck and they need draft picks not old vets on 1 year deals. Indiana is trying to win now so it makes sense for both of you. But i wouldnt give up a 1st rounder for a 1 year rental. |
| Loose89 | 15 posts saying it was a bad trade in 3...2...1... |
| laddas | A late 1st rounder and mid to late 2nd rounder for a guy who despite not being happy in washington still averaged 12ppg 9rpg 2.5bpg. He just got traded from a team it seemed he didn't want to play for and has tools you cannot teach. Height, Length and Athleticism... and on top of that has only just turned 24! I think he will fit in nicely at Denver and George Karl will force him to grow up. You got Jamison and possibly Odom coming off your books next year which would've freed up 23 odd million dollars so you could've re-signed him quite easily. You're going to struggle to sign big players with the money you will have because of your record(Trust me, i found that out this off-season). IDK man.... Mcgee,Williams and whoever you drafted with your lottery pick could've been a nice core to work around. |
| greenmig | nvm smokey wallrus snubs me all the time too. i offerred alot for both carter and then gibson at various junctures only to be dismissed to the naughty corner....only to then see said players get traded away days later for lesser value returns, (imo ;p)... |
| smokey | hahah VT, i actually didn't offer anything, just asked if he was available.... never got the chance too offer anything.. oh well!!! |
| nick | Oh wow i just realised this is only one 1st rounder... i thought it was 2... man GSW could've got way more for mcgee |
| vt | @smokey- you were prolly offering too much |
| smokey | McGee wasn't for trade about a week ago when I asked if he was! :-) |
| darko | Yeah he is kind of a bonehead, but i think he just needs to mature and focus on the game. Seems like he is more interested in getting sportscenter highlights than just being a good basketball player. Hopefully now that he is in Denver, that they can make him be a better player. |
| nick | It's not a bad trade for GSW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT4XBnLlZIo |
| magritte | Ok - I was the first to condemn WALLrus (to his face this morning), but he actually made some decent points to me. While I still think he could have gotten much more for McGee, he points out that he will not be resigning McGee at the end of the year (since McGee will cost big bucks), and couple that with the fact that he is not going to win this year, this gives him some building blocks for the future as opposed to just letting McGee walk. I still think it is a HORRIBLE deal, but not as bad as I initially suspected. |
| badwolf | WOW, did you actually call around? I'd give you more then that, cmon :D |
| badwolf | WOW, did you actually call around? I'd give you more then that, cmon :D |
| vt | With your record, those pts won't net you anything on the market next season unfortunately. |
| WALLrus | and 28 gm pts |
| vt | Golden State Warriors essentially get Anthony Randolph, CLE 1st, ORL 2nd and DET 2nd for Dante Cunningham, Jonas Valanciunas and BOS 1st. |
| WALLrus | and whats the r word |
| WALLrus | javale is not doing well for me, and i haven't had much interest for mcgee, next year he will sign a massive deal |
| vt | Another headscratcher by GS. Nice one, Darko. I hear the "R" word coming. |
| laddas | A late 1st rounder and mid to late 2nd rounder for a guy who despite not being happy in washington still averaged 12ppg 9rpg 2.5bpg. He just got traded from a team it seemed he didn't want to play for and has tools you cannot teach. Height, Length and Athleticism... and on top of that has only just turned 24! I think he will fit in nicely at Denver and George Karl will force him to grow up. You got Jamison and possibly Odom coming off your books next year which would've freed up 23 odd million dollars so you could've re-signed him quite easily. You're going to struggle to sign big players with the money you will have because of your record(Trust me, i found that out this off-season). IDK man.... Mcgee,Williams and whoever you drafted with your lottery pick could've been a nice core to work around. |
| greenmig | nvm smokey wallrus snubs me all the time too. i offerred alot for both carter and then gibson at various junctures only to be dismissed to the naughty corner....only to then see said players get traded away days later for lesser value returns, (imo ;p)... |
| smokey | hahah VT, i actually didn't offer anything, just asked if he was available.... never got the chance too offer anything.. oh well!!! |
| nick | Oh wow i just realised this is only one 1st rounder... i thought it was 2... man GSW could've got way more for mcgee |
| vt | @smokey- you were prolly offering too much |
| smokey | McGee wasn't for trade about a week ago when I asked if he was! :-) |
| darko | Yeah he is kind of a bonehead, but i think he just needs to mature and focus on the game. Seems like he is more interested in getting sportscenter highlights than just being a good basketball player. Hopefully now that he is in Denver, that they can make him be a better player. |
| nick | It's not a bad trade for GSW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT4XBnLlZIo |
| magritte | Ok - I was the first to condemn WALLrus (to his face this morning), but he actually made some decent points to me. While I still think he could have gotten much more for McGee, he points out that he will not be resigning McGee at the end of the year (since McGee will cost big bucks), and couple that with the fact that he is not going to win this year, this gives him some building blocks for the future as opposed to just letting McGee walk. I still think it is a HORRIBLE deal, but not as bad as I initially suspected. |
| badwolf | WOW, did you actually call around? I'd give you more then that, cmon :D |
| badwolf | WOW, did you actually call around? I'd give you more then that, cmon :D |
| vt | With your record, those pts won't net you anything on the market next season unfortunately. |
| WALLrus | and 28 gm pts |
| vt | Golden State Warriors essentially get Anthony Randolph, CLE 1st, ORL 2nd and DET 2nd for Dante Cunningham, Jonas Valanciunas and BOS 1st. |
| WALLrus | and whats the r word |
| WALLrus | javale is not doing well for me, and i haven't had much interest for mcgee, next year he will sign a massive deal |
| vt | Another headscratcher by GS. Nice one, Darko. I hear the "R" word coming. |
| nick | At the least i'd say Green will remain in the NBA from now on |
| darko | Yeah and have a shot at resigning him in the offseason. |
| daved | shame they didn't sign him longer - but i can at least now be content i didn't entirely waste the pts - hehe |
| darko | Nets sign G/F Gerald Green for the rest of the season. |
| nick | "The Nets are in discussions with Gerald Green's agent about a contract for the remainder of the season and also possibly for the 12-13 season." :) |
| daved | have they signed him for the resst of the season yet? hurry up damnit! ... and then extend him for 3 yrs too! .... that dunk looks so effortless - yet amazing in an actual game |
| nick | Another 26 pt game for Gerald! |
| nick | Should be 99, at least! |
| greenmig | his vertical is 86 in nll... |
| laddas | I was just about to post that haha!! Yeah man, he is looking down at the rim, that is unbelievable athleticism. How long till the clippers trade for him? :P |
| nick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOzo4pHTZ-M Sheeeeesh gerald may have the highest vert in the NBA... eyes above the rim!! |
| darko | Yeaj green had a good game, so did Farmar! lol |
| nick | Nice game from gerald in the NBA today!! |
| daved | i'm praying like hell he sticks - lol |
| darko | The Nets will re-sign Gerald Green to a second 10-day contract when his first one expires Thursday. |
| nick | I wouldn't be surprised to see the Nets sign him for the rest of the season, and then realise he can't bring anything except highlight dunks, and then back to the d-league with him :) |
| daved | yeah - thats my hope |
| darko | There is a good chance Green sticks for the rest of the season since the nets lack what he brings. |
| daved | it sure is - but he's doing OK and is one of d-league's best, so hopefully he'll either stick with NBA Nets or get another gig elsewhere |
| vt | Wow...15pts is a HUGE risk for a guy on a 10 day deal.... |
| nick | I don't think they have any other choice at this point, haha |
| darko | haha, portland might give him a chance! |
| nick | Beast. |
| laddas | LOL! My bad the iPhone must've auto corrected it, but you get my drift lol |
| vt | i'm a knight! |
| dunadan | who the hell are the clerics ;) |
| laddas | Yeah that's what im hoping for, a contender to pick him up. I can see the clerics doing that with Wilcox being sidelined for the season |
| darko | I read the Nuggets are probably going to waive him to make room for chandler. But he could end up with Heat or Celtics. |
| Loose89 | I would wait and see what orlando do in the off season and next trade deadline |
| nick | So i save my GM pts for next offseason then... |
| dunadan | so is turk! |
| greenmig | hey what are you talking about? jameer IS a star player ;) |
| Loose89 | Unless the Magic can turn Turk or Jameer into a star player he'll be playing for the nets or dallas in a couple years |
| darko | I really thought he was going to bolt for the nets in the offseason. |
| leeroy | Nick dodges the first bullet... |
| darko | He is back home. :) His double was killed. |
| Mavs4Life | I told you! |
| laddas | Because he's been cloned! |
| darko | If i claimed him why is he in FA? |
| Loose89 | atleast he didnt attempt 20 three's xD |
| magritte | Hate to see him hurt, but happy that he cannot shoot 21 times a game any more!!! |
| Loose89 | You hate to see players retire early due to injury |
| darko | T.J. Ford retired from the NBA recently. |
| smokey | That's Unlucky!!! poor Magritte, just cant take a break at the moment! |
| vt | Ouch! |
| darko | Spurs guard T.J. Ford has been diagnosed with a longitudinal tear of his left hamstring and is expected to miss four to six weeks. |
| magritte | Of course, he gets hurt last night in NBA! |
| dunadan | really TJ? you wanna get traded in early february? |
| darko | Random factor strikes again, otherwise Ford was going to NY. |
| darko | good news for you, i will probably have to release him and sign someone else once brockman is claimed so i get above the salary minimum again. |
| laddas | nooooo, i was waiting 1 more week and then going to sign him lol! |
| sheed36 | Young 20 ppg but his D is pathetic. he's shooting tendency is too high and dont letgriffin and others play. when griffin scorer less then 20 i lose mostly. |
| nick | Brown's defensive awareness is also 73 while young's is 54 |
| magritte | Shannon plays slightly better on ball, while Nick plays slightly better on post - Brown is definitely the overall better defender, but I still think Young is a much better player! |
| nick | Yes... |
| badwolf | and shannon does? |
| nick | Pretty even imo... Young doesn't play D |
| magritte | Wow - a steal for LAL - damn it!!! |
| forrest | damnit, lakers are in my division too |
| laddas | This makes the lakers starting unit lethal! |
| sheed36 | Young 20 ppg but his D is pathetic. he's shooting tendency is too high and dont letgriffin and others play. when griffin scorer less then 20 i lose mostly. |
| nick | Brown's defensive awareness is also 73 while young's is 54 |
| magritte | Shannon plays slightly better on ball, while Nick plays slightly better on post - Brown is definitely the overall better defender, but I still think Young is a much better player! |
| nick | Yes... |
| badwolf | and shannon does? |
| nick | Pretty even imo... Young doesn't play D |
| magritte | Wow - a steal for LAL - damn it!!! |
| forrest | damnit, lakers are in my division too |
| laddas | This makes the lakers starting unit lethal! |
| laddas | yeah..........better than my offer tmac :P |
| houndy | damn williams is a stud |
| laddas | yeah..........better than my offer tmac :P |
| houndy | damn williams is a stud |
| Mavs4Life | Agree with nick, not a bad deal, but GS should keep it's 1st rounders. And I could've gotten that pick if this was the case, dang! |
| houndy | fine deal both ways |
| nick | If GM pts are what GSW wanted then he's done well here... Though if you're in GSW's position then you'd probably want to keep your 1st rounders.... Regardless, the trade seems about even to me |
| darko | Might have overpaid for it, but whatever, a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick! |
| Mavs4Life | Agree with nick, not a bad deal, but GS should keep it's 1st rounders. And I could've gotten that pick if this was the case, dang! |
| houndy | fine deal both ways |
| nick | If GM pts are what GSW wanted then he's done well here... Though if you're in GSW's position then you'd probably want to keep your 1st rounders.... Regardless, the trade seems about even to me |
| darko | Might have overpaid for it, but whatever, a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick! |
| forrest | You really like Ryan Anderson that much? |
| forrest | You really like Ryan Anderson that much? |
| Loose89 | I made a few mistakes here (stating the obvious) I know. First i was too soft on what I wanted out of it. Second, I forgot to look at Andersons contract... I'll get a deal right one day.. |
| daved | i wish someone would give away stuff to me too :( |
| nick | Yeh i sent him an offer idea through inbox msg (originally bayless + 40 pts), he replied with a counter (which i almost shat my pants over!), i agreed, and it was done. I wouldn't mind hearing what CHA has to say about it? |
| laddas | nick didn't send the trade sheedy ;) He was in this case the "tradee" Thats what makes it even more outrageous |
| sheed36 | Nick should stop sending trades without ask ...i almost miss button last time |
| sheed36 | NO... DON"T TRADE YOUR FIRST ROUND PICK OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| vt | GM- i know. |
| dazman32 | Oh my, when will a first round pick fall into my lap |
| greenmig | You wouldn't have lma if it did ;) |
| houndy | so they can veto trades for "basketball reasons"? :P |
| vt | Agreed, Tmac. That is something I think I want to institute over the summer. Or some form of Big Buddy GM or something. |
| tmacf13 | The trade committee should have lasted all season long |
| badwolf | nice trades nick |
| laddas | It all makes sense nick!! that's it! He's chasing the 2nd coming of Kobe! |
| nick | CHA's master plan must be to tank the 2012/13 season for Shabazz Muhammed, lol. And listen to all of you balking at his trades like chumps. He'll be laughing one day. |
| nick | Yeh someone i met at a party the other night has hung out with the Morris twins before lol... pretty cool! |
| laddas | lottery pick last year i think and twin brother of markieff :) |
| greenmig | who's marcus morris? |
| laddas | OUCHHHHHHHHHH! Ryan anderson is nothing more than a shooter, not a good defender at all and you gave up morris AND your 1st rounder!?!? |
| nick | I might remind everyone about the 30 pts in the deal... it takes over a full season to get that much pts |
| nick | Most one-sided trade in history? Dunno, big call! There's been some shockers in our time. Although i gotta admit i was a little baffled when i got the counter-offer, but i'm not complaining! |
| houndy | Oh man.. |
| magritte | Two Top 15 picks for RYAN ANDERSON? Please stop dropping the soap in the shower in NC. |
| dare | It should be a protected pick, top 10 maybe? |
| darko | If he thought his team was bad before, now he really has nothing to trade for. |
| magritte | Seriously - ouch! Maybe the most one-sided trade I have seen in NLL history. Charlotte should be a philanthropist cause he loves giving stuff away! |
| vt | Hey at least i gave him Gasol....Nick stole his future AND his dreams. |
| magritte | WOW! First dave, now nick - please, guys, everyone stop raping Charlotte - I mean ouch! |
| forrest | You really like Ryan Anderson that much? |
| forrest | You really like Ryan Anderson that much? |
| Loose89 | I made a few mistakes here (stating the obvious) I know. First i was too soft on what I wanted out of it. Second, I forgot to look at Andersons contract... I'll get a deal right one day.. |
| daved | i wish someone would give away stuff to me too :( |
| nick | Yeh i sent him an offer idea through inbox msg (originally bayless + 40 pts), he replied with a counter (which i almost shat my pants over!), i agreed, and it was done. I wouldn't mind hearing what CHA has to say about it? |
| laddas | nick didn't send the trade sheedy ;) He was in this case the "tradee" Thats what makes it even more outrageous |
| sheed36 | Nick should stop sending trades without ask ...i almost miss button last time |
| sheed36 | NO... DON"T TRADE YOUR FIRST ROUND PICK OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| vt | GM- i know. |
| dazman32 | Oh my, when will a first round pick fall into my lap |
| greenmig | You wouldn't have lma if it did ;) |
| houndy | so they can veto trades for "basketball reasons"? :P |
| vt | Agreed, Tmac. That is something I think I want to institute over the summer. Or some form of Big Buddy GM or something. |
| tmacf13 | The trade committee should have lasted all season long |
| badwolf | nice trades nick |
| laddas | It all makes sense nick!! that's it! He's chasing the 2nd coming of Kobe! |
| nick | CHA's master plan must be to tank the 2012/13 season for Shabazz Muhammed, lol. And listen to all of you balking at his trades like chumps. He'll be laughing one day. |
| nick | Yeh someone i met at a party the other night has hung out with the Morris twins before lol... pretty cool! |
| laddas | lottery pick last year i think and twin brother of markieff :) |
| greenmig | who's marcus morris? |
| laddas | OUCHHHHHHHHHH! Ryan anderson is nothing more than a shooter, not a good defender at all and you gave up morris AND your 1st rounder!?!? |
| nick | I might remind everyone about the 30 pts in the deal... it takes over a full season to get that much pts |
| nick | Most one-sided trade in history? Dunno, big call! There's been some shockers in our time. Although i gotta admit i was a little baffled when i got the counter-offer, but i'm not complaining! |
| houndy | Oh man.. |
| magritte | Two Top 15 picks for RYAN ANDERSON? Please stop dropping the soap in the shower in NC. |
| dare | It should be a protected pick, top 10 maybe? |
| darko | If he thought his team was bad before, now he really has nothing to trade for. |
| magritte | Seriously - ouch! Maybe the most one-sided trade I have seen in NLL history. Charlotte should be a philanthropist cause he loves giving stuff away! |
| vt | Hey at least i gave him Gasol....Nick stole his future AND his dreams. |
| magritte | WOW! First dave, now nick - please, guys, everyone stop raping Charlotte - I mean ouch! |
| Loose89 | | yes V |
| darko | The Charlotte Bobcats claim Mychel Thompson off waivers. |
| greenmig | sympathy? |
| Loose89 | | yes V |
| darko | The Charlotte Bobcats claim Mychel Thompson off waivers. |
| greenmig | sympathy? |
| laddas | Well he did get released but apparently the pacers want him and Sean Williams is finally getting a chance with the mavs so it's worked out alright :) |
| darko | Thats what rotoworld said. |
| laddas | Really??? I read on realgm yesterday they're going to sign him for the rest of the season |
| darko | Wow "Updating a previous item, Solomon Jones will not be re-signed after his second 10-day contract expires." |
| nick | i didn't even realise jones was a FA... damn. |
| badwolf | i watched hornets game when henry scored 19, noticed his nice game, but had no idea he's not on a team. is he a 10 day contract? |
| daved | i was wondering how long until someone signed him ... dunno if he will stay with the NBA Hornets tho - this is his 2nd 10-day with them ... probably depends when their injured dudes get back .... but you'd think another team will pick him up if they don't keep him |
| laddas | Yeah I just had a quick look and noticed he'd been logging 20+ mins and posting decent numbers with it |
| darko | Nice signing, wish i would have noticed his recent stats. I would have signed him. |
| badwolf | secure blatche? now why would you do that? besides he's not expiring |
| greenmig | rofl yer when i came out of retirement and took on the LAL assignment last season i had thabeet. it took me about 1 month before i figured he was THA-BUST! So I dealt him to the Magic....and the rest is history. |
| laddas | That sounds awfully familiar....... Right nick? |
| darko | What are you guys talking about, thabeet still has raw untapped potential. Next year he will break out. Im sure of it, all he needs to do is go to Hakeem Olajuwon camp and work on his footing. |
| laddas | Damn re submit on the iPhone. Yeah that was the same reason I got him from lakers haha |
| laddas | Hooray for nick!! He got rid of thabeet! :D makes sense for both teams. Gonna be tough for bigs going against Dwight AND daly! |
| nick | Haha i remember it was just a year ago when i got him off you laddas because i thought he still had untapped potential! Now he's essentially just a trade exception lol |
| laddas | Hooray for nick!! He got rid of thabeet! :D makes sense for both teams. Gonna be tough for bigs going against Dwight AND daly! |
| darko | Actually im getting points to secure Blatche in the offseason, especially if he is traded in the nba and i cant start winning games once he comes back. |
| pennywise | great trade for Denver...Wiz obviously in dump mode...I guess they are pushing for that #1 pick overall... |
| badwolf | secure blatche? now why would you do that? besides he's not expiring |
| greenmig | rofl yer when i came out of retirement and took on the LAL assignment last season i had thabeet. it took me about 1 month before i figured he was THA-BUST! So I dealt him to the Magic....and the rest is history. |
| laddas | That sounds awfully familiar....... Right nick? |
| darko | What are you guys talking about, thabeet still has raw untapped potential. Next year he will break out. Im sure of it, all he needs to do is go to Hakeem Olajuwon camp and work on his footing. |
| laddas | Damn re submit on the iPhone. Yeah that was the same reason I got him from lakers haha |
| laddas | Hooray for nick!! He got rid of thabeet! :D makes sense for both teams. Gonna be tough for bigs going against Dwight AND daly! |
| nick | Haha i remember it was just a year ago when i got him off you laddas because i thought he still had untapped potential! Now he's essentially just a trade exception lol |
| laddas | Hooray for nick!! He got rid of thabeet! :D makes sense for both teams. Gonna be tough for bigs going against Dwight AND daly! |
| darko | Actually im getting points to secure Blatche in the offseason, especially if he is traded in the nba and i cant start winning games once he comes back. |
| pennywise | great trade for Denver...Wiz obviously in dump mode...I guess they are pushing for that #1 pick overall... |
| laddas | I never wanted to release this guy and he got called back up last night :) |
| darko | This dude looks like he is a 7 foot center from the 70's. |
| greenmig | sup? ;) |
| leeroy | Looks great for Jazz but I bet greenmig has a plan... 6th man of the year anyone??? |
| WALLrus | great deal 4 utah |
| smokey | good trade for the future with Jordan. i think bibby is useless, and salmons is on the decline.. good trade for the next couple of years for LA, will be interesting to see what direction greeny takes with the team after Garnett is finished! :) |
| pennywise | I gotta say, this trade definitely favors the Jazz |
| laddas | Brilliant piece of business for the jazz! |
| houndy | Great trade fr the Jazz |
| dazman32 | The rookie gm's are learning quickly it seems |
| magritte | Wow! Great deal for the JAzz in my opinion!!!!!! |
| greenmig | sup? ;) |
| leeroy | Looks great for Jazz but I bet greenmig has a plan... 6th man of the year anyone??? |
| WALLrus | great deal 4 utah |
| smokey | good trade for the future with Jordan. i think bibby is useless, and salmons is on the decline.. good trade for the next couple of years for LA, will be interesting to see what direction greeny takes with the team after Garnett is finished! :) |
| pennywise | I gotta say, this trade definitely favors the Jazz |
| laddas | Brilliant piece of business for the jazz! |
| houndy | Great trade fr the Jazz |
| dazman32 | The rookie gm's are learning quickly it seems |
| magritte | Wow! Great deal for the JAzz in my opinion!!!!!! |
| smokey | hmmmmmmmmmm...... |
| nick | Clear win for PHI... the lucky bastard! Poor charlotte fans |
| daved | wow ... shit trade for Bobcats imo |
| alejandro | Aldridge will kill it in Philly, I even got an offer involving M.Gasol but didnt get the chance to check it out, though this deal works great for PHI. |
| greenmig | philly best team out east again now. getting 2K stud LMA, like taking candy off a baby...wow!! |
| forrest | Aldridge is by far the best player in this deal, and unlike the NBA, you can probably play Aldridge at the center position and not be punished defensively. I'd say Phili now moves up into Milwaukee/New Jersey territory now. |
| tmacf13 | Seems really short sighted to trade away your best player in a losing slump of your first season. Maybe centers and Gasol will be better in 2k13! |
| laddas | Wowwww! Philly right back in the championship picture! |
| Mavs4Life | CHA should've gotten a 1st rounder. He got 3 decent players and a good player for the team star, and a good guy. |
| houndy | No offense, but I would've asked for maybe a draft pick too, too much given up for a decent point guard, an okay Center (in NLL) a backup and a white man who can jump |
| magritte | Absolute plundering by Philly! Aldridge is best player by far in deal. Ariza is third best player and fills a real need for Philly too. The fact that Aldridge is actually younger than Gasol makes it even worse if rebuilding were the plan in Charlotte. Big winn for VT on this one. The WAS deal would have been significantly better for Charlotte in my opinion. |
| forrest | Aldridge is by far the best player in this deal, and unlike the NBA, you can probably play Aldridge at the center position and not be punished defensively. I'd say Phili now moves up into Milwaukee/New Jersey territory now. |
| javijoe | In all honesty, this trade in real life wouldn't even make top story for SportsCenter. It will be a non-factor. But if you need 2 cents, PHI by split decision. LOL |
| tmacf13 | The rich get richer. LA and Ariza! Philly gets by far the best 2k/nba player. Gasoline for whatever reason us a non factor in 2k |
| darko | Yeah but Blatche and Crawford would give you two 20ppg scorers, i even think dalembert was in the deal too. Gasol is getting 8ppg, and 6 boards. Not sure why you would trade your best player. Budinger looks okay but west is on a 1 year deal and will probably leave after this season, and asik is not going to help you any. On top of that you give away Ariza too. Wow. You were better off with Ariza and Aldridge. Sorry but looking at this deal makes me scratch my head and wonder why in the world. |
| Loose89 | Blatche is not a player that I personally see improving much, while Gasol has steadily improved and is a solid player and one of the best centers in the league. Plus like penny said, i get better depth |
| darko | wow and i offered him something like blatche, crawford, orlando 1st etc, etc. for aldridge a few weeks ago, and he passed on it. Great deal for 76ers, bad deal for Bobcats. |
| pennywise | This trade works for both teams. Sixers needed better impact players, Bobcats needed more depth. Both got what they needed. I think in terms of players, the Sixers got the better end, as LA is better than Gasol, and Ariza is better than anyone else the Sixers offered, but West is solid, Asik is young, and Cha must be hoping the dunk contest will boost Bud's stats |
| smokey | hmmmmmmmmmm...... |
| nick | Clear win for PHI... the lucky bastard! Poor charlotte fans |
| daved | wow ... shit trade for Bobcats imo |
| alejandro | Aldridge will kill it in Philly, I even got an offer involving M.Gasol but didnt get the chance to check it out, though this deal works great for PHI. |
| greenmig | philly best team out east again now. getting 2K stud LMA, like taking candy off a baby...wow!! |
| forrest | Aldridge is by far the best player in this deal, and unlike the NBA, you can probably play Aldridge at the center position and not be punished defensively. I'd say Phili now moves up into Milwaukee/New Jersey territory now. |
| tmacf13 | Seems really short sighted to trade away your best player in a losing slump of your first season. Maybe centers and Gasol will be better in 2k13! |
| laddas | Wowwww! Philly right back in the championship picture! |
| Mavs4Life | CHA should've gotten a 1st rounder. He got 3 decent players and a good player for the team star, and a good guy. |
| houndy | No offense, but I would've asked for maybe a draft pick too, too much given up for a decent point guard, an okay Center (in NLL) a backup and a white man who can jump |
| magritte | Absolute plundering by Philly! Aldridge is best player by far in deal. Ariza is third best player and fills a real need for Philly too. The fact that Aldridge is actually younger than Gasol makes it even worse if rebuilding were the plan in Charlotte. Big winn for VT on this one. The WAS deal would have been significantly better for Charlotte in my opinion. |
| forrest | Aldridge is by far the best player in this deal, and unlike the NBA, you can probably play Aldridge at the center position and not be punished defensively. I'd say Phili now moves up into Milwaukee/New Jersey territory now. |
| javijoe | In all honesty, this trade in real life wouldn't even make top story for SportsCenter. It will be a non-factor. But if you need 2 cents, PHI by split decision. LOL |
| tmacf13 | The rich get richer. LA and Ariza! Philly gets by far the best 2k/nba player. Gasoline for whatever reason us a non factor in 2k |
| darko | Yeah but Blatche and Crawford would give you two 20ppg scorers, i even think dalembert was in the deal too. Gasol is getting 8ppg, and 6 boards. Not sure why you would trade your best player. Budinger looks okay but west is on a 1 year deal and will probably leave after this season, and asik is not going to help you any. On top of that you give away Ariza too. Wow. You were better off with Ariza and Aldridge. Sorry but looking at this deal makes me scratch my head and wonder why in the world. |
| Loose89 | Blatche is not a player that I personally see improving much, while Gasol has steadily improved and is a solid player and one of the best centers in the league. Plus like penny said, i get better depth |
| darko | wow and i offered him something like blatche, crawford, orlando 1st etc, etc. for aldridge a few weeks ago, and he passed on it. Great deal for 76ers, bad deal for Bobcats. |
| pennywise | This trade works for both teams. Sixers needed better impact players, Bobcats needed more depth. Both got what they needed. I think in terms of players, the Sixers got the better end, as LA is better than Gasol, and Ariza is better than anyone else the Sixers offered, but West is solid, Asik is young, and Cha must be hoping the dunk contest will boost Bud's stats |
| pennywise | ballsy to drop a player with a +19 PER....lol |
| proid | To be honest I think a team can never have enough defense. he also happens to be very good at setting picks (screens) for the offense. |
| nick | This signing makes complete sense for Przybilla. He wants a ring, and NJ have plenty of opportunity for centers. |
| Loose89 | I needed his rebounds :( |
| pennywise | As if you guys didn't have enough defense over there in New Jersey? |
| nick | haha another loan! |
| badwolf | boyd offered a really sharkish interests, i couldn't say no :D |
| magritte | Quite a good bit! But very much appreciated! |
| WALLrus | Badwolf did u charge interest |
| nick | haha another loan! |
| badwolf | boyd offered a really sharkish interests, i couldn't say no :D |
| magritte | Quite a good bit! But very much appreciated! |
| WALLrus | Badwolf did u charge interest |
| vt | The Houston Rockets send Shawn Marion, Eduardo Najera and Jonas Jerebko to the Phoenix Suns. The Phoenix Suns send Zaza Pachulia, Yi Jianlian and Jan Vesely to the Houston Rockets. Your answers lies within. |
| badwolf | i still don't understand why he was waived, he's having a career season |
| vt | that is correct. |
| greenmig | afaik team with worst record wins waiver wire claims... |
| leeroy | No formula. Team with worst record gets player off waiver wire |
| darko | I believe you are looking at the bids during signing period, not what just happened on the waiver wire. It would be interesting to see how i got Novak, as it seemed maybe two other teams were looking to sign him. |
| houndy | Damn, missed out on him by .5 games |
| darko | He will be added after tonights signing deadline to the waiver wire. |
| badwolf | Really? Where is he on FA or waiver wire? |
| pennywise | Sure, send daly over here |
| nick | Well maybe i'll just shut my big mouth |
| darko | now you have room for dalembert ;) |
| pennywise | I thought you said it wouldn't be a problem... ;-) |
| nick | I don't think that will be a problem ;-) |
| pennywise | nobody sign him...I dont wanna have to deal with being under the cap!!!! |
| tmacf13 | Yep, Houston declined Hill's option in the NBA. |
| darko | nevermind, hill is unrestricted. |
| javijoe | I actually like this one for GS. I just think the frustration has settled in with the office though. I get it. |
| darko | From what i understand guys like hill, who are in their 3rd year, and dont get their option picked up, will be restricted free agents. Like Robin Lopez. |
| badwolf | hill didn't have his option picked.. true or false? |
| magritte | Gotta say, I have no idea what the big deal is. Miami gets Mo Williams who can help them compete now and GS gets Jack is close to as good as Williams and a nice player in Hill to take the place of the departed Taj. Seems like a great deal for both teams and certainly not something to give either team crap about. |
| nick | I agree with DaveD... decent trade for both teams... i dont see what the big fuss is. |
| daved | yeah Mo is still good ... decent trade for both teams tbh |
| vt | Trading for trading sake. No sims, no team news. What else is there to do? |
| tmacf13 | I like Mo...he's got good ratings and gets good minutes in the NBA. Eventually I plan to use him like the Clips in NBA - a backup pg/sg off the bench at about 25 minutes per game. Hill has potential but still hasn't put it together |
| greenmig | f*ck im confused...bad trade for miami imo. not a big mo fan. forget oden, this is a decent trade for GS but wtf he just gave up taj gibson. gibson and hill are quite similar...f*ck im confused....;) |
| forrest | I think the trade for golden state is actually pretty decent. Jarret Jack is pretty solid and Jordan Hill has a lot of potential still. |
| daved | i think i'd rather Jack and Hill than Mo atm tbh |
| darko | I think his plan is to have a full roster of players that are 6-8 or taller. |
| tmacf13 | Jack is having a monster year. Having Vasquez and his ratings boost to come made him expendable for me. |
| nick | Wow i thought jack was like 26... talk about a late breakout |
| vt | Who trades for Oden on the day it is announced he is done for another year? Plus Jordan Hill is out for some weeks and he just gave away a better player in Taj Gibson. |
| tmacf13 | Jack is only 1 year younger than Mo though. |
| tmacf13 | I think both teams came out OK here. He gets two younger guys in Jack and Hill for his rebuilding and I get a more proven guy that helps me this year. He requested Oden (I'm not sure why) be added. I don't think he'll ever play again. |
| vt | LOL! How old is Jack, Nick? |
| nick | What are you talking about? This is a nice deal for GSW!
Even if Oden never plays again... they've secured their PG of the future, and Jordan Hill is a nice piece that should contribute.... Mo is 29 and has no purpose being at a rebuilding team like GSW. |
| vt | 12 trades and 90 gm pts later. Am I harsh? Yes. |
| vt | From a chat with another vet GM about GS: "Hopefully there will be something left for the next GM to salvage." |
| tmacf13 | Yep, Houston declined Hill's option in the NBA. |
| darko | nevermind, hill is unrestricted. |
| javijoe | I actually like this one for GS. I just think the frustration has settled in with the office though. I get it. |
| darko | From what i understand guys like hill, who are in their 3rd year, and dont get their option picked up, will be restricted free agents. Like Robin Lopez. |
| badwolf | hill didn't have his option picked.. true or false? |
| magritte | Gotta say, I have no idea what the big deal is. Miami gets Mo Williams who can help them compete now and GS gets Jack is close to as good as Williams and a nice player in Hill to take the place of the departed Taj. Seems like a great deal for both teams and certainly not something to give either team crap about. |
| nick | I agree with DaveD... decent trade for both teams... i dont see what the big fuss is. |
| daved | yeah Mo is still good ... decent trade for both teams tbh |
| vt | Trading for trading sake. No sims, no team news. What else is there to do? |
| tmacf13 | I like Mo...he's got good ratings and gets good minutes in the NBA. Eventually I plan to use him like the Clips in NBA - a backup pg/sg off the bench at about 25 minutes per game. Hill has potential but still hasn't put it together |
| greenmig | f*ck im confused...bad trade for miami imo. not a big mo fan. forget oden, this is a decent trade for GS but wtf he just gave up taj gibson. gibson and hill are quite similar...f*ck im confused....;) |
| forrest | I think the trade for golden state is actually pretty decent. Jarret Jack is pretty solid and Jordan Hill has a lot of potential still. |
| daved | i think i'd rather Jack and Hill than Mo atm tbh |
| darko | I think his plan is to have a full roster of players that are 6-8 or taller. |
| tmacf13 | Jack is having a monster year. Having Vasquez and his ratings boost to come made him expendable for me. |
| nick | Wow i thought jack was like 26... talk about a late breakout |
| vt | Who trades for Oden on the day it is announced he is done for another year? Plus Jordan Hill is out for some weeks and he just gave away a better player in Taj Gibson. |
| tmacf13 | Jack is only 1 year younger than Mo though. |
| tmacf13 | I think both teams came out OK here. He gets two younger guys in Jack and Hill for his rebuilding and I get a more proven guy that helps me this year. He requested Oden (I'm not sure why) be added. I don't think he'll ever play again. |
| vt | LOL! How old is Jack, Nick? |
| nick | What are you talking about? This is a nice deal for GSW!
Even if Oden never plays again... they've secured their PG of the future, and Jordan Hill is a nice piece that should contribute.... Mo is 29 and has no purpose being at a rebuilding team like GSW. |
| vt | 12 trades and 90 gm pts later. Am I harsh? Yes. |
| vt | From a chat with another vet GM about GS: "Hopefully there will be something left for the next GM to salvage." |
| forrest | Wow, when I saw where he signed, I thought I read it wrong. I didn't expect him to come here. |
| Loose89 | naaa.. just play the 2 bigs for 40mins a game |
| vt | Interesting pick-up but SAC needs a big off the bench a ton more than JR Smith. |
| greenmig | ohh btw, grats SAC. Prediction: SAC = NLL Champions 2012.... |
| nick | Wow yeh... GM's must've got scared from splashing pts... Meanwhile SAC just got even better for very little cost!! |
| Loose89 | My favourites for the championship now |
| greenmig | Fortune favours the brave.....ohh wait....;) |
| darko | Wow surprised by the lack of GM points offered. |
| dare | If only I spend my 9 points on him, Kings are really deep now |
| Loose89 | are you hoping to sign him next season as well are you? |
| laddas | I would've stuck with Marion personally |
| nick | nice |
| laddas | No darko is right, there is a very good chance illy won't be around next season. Based on this seasons form he may have a change of heart but from what I heard he wants to go home |
| vt | He will lose them when his record is 2-60 or whatever, so it's counterproductive. And look, Orton and Armon Johnson back in the starting lineup. |
| dazman32 | I've noticed you have an extreme policy of making sure you don't lose anyone to free agency |
| darko | Farmar sucks? 10 PPG, 3APG, 47% shooting and 46% from 3 and 93% FT. Seems like a very solid backup to me. Like i said before, Ilyasova wanted to play overseas, but the bucks wouldnt buy him out. He likely wont resign with the bucks, and might go back overseas, so id lose him. |
| badwolf | huh, what a strange trade, farmar sucks and ilyasova is playing at near all star level.. or is this from preseason? |
| darko | Because he might not even be in the nba next season? |
| greenmig | Out of interest why is re-signing him of such concern in week 3 of this current NLL season? Isn't that somewhat distant in the future at this stage?......just saying.... |
| darko | Yeah he had a monster game yesterday, 29 pts 25 rebounds! I just had to move him because i would have had 0% chance in resigning him. |
| dazman32 | First Lin and now Ersan, can i borrow your crystal ball Indy? |
| laddas | No darko is right, there is a very good chance illy won't be around next season. Based on this seasons form he may have a change of heart but from what I heard he wants to go home |
| vt | He will lose them when his record is 2-60 or whatever, so it's counterproductive. And look, Orton and Armon Johnson back in the starting lineup. |
| dazman32 | I've noticed you have an extreme policy of making sure you don't lose anyone to free agency |
| darko | Farmar sucks? 10 PPG, 3APG, 47% shooting and 46% from 3 and 93% FT. Seems like a very solid backup to me. Like i said before, Ilyasova wanted to play overseas, but the bucks wouldnt buy him out. He likely wont resign with the bucks, and might go back overseas, so id lose him. |
| badwolf | huh, what a strange trade, farmar sucks and ilyasova is playing at near all star level.. or is this from preseason? |
| darko | Because he might not even be in the nba next season? |
| greenmig | Out of interest why is re-signing him of such concern in week 3 of this current NLL season? Isn't that somewhat distant in the future at this stage?......just saying.... |
| darko | Yeah he had a monster game yesterday, 29 pts 25 rebounds! I just had to move him because i would have had 0% chance in resigning him. |
| dazman32 | First Lin and now Ersan, can i borrow your crystal ball Indy? |
| vt | His new "legit center" is getting 2mpg behind DJ White. He also spent 9 gm pts to bring in Shard. This deal tips heavily towards PHO. |
| nick | I don't see vasely as much of an upgrade over jerebko.... zaza and yi are both scrubs that wont improve much... they basically lost marion for nothing. |
| nick | Houston got swindled on this one i reckon... PHX is certainly a smooth talker |
| pennywise | no, actually, Klay is playing better than I expected...so Marion will start at the 4, with K-mart being the 4 off the bench...this trade does make me more athletic and suprisingly gives me more depth now...I'll play jonas at bkup sf and jj has played better for me in the 6th man role than as a starter originally, I was going to move Derozan to the 2 and have marion play the 3, but once I started fixing my lineup, things changed... |
| greenmig | my bad |
| badwolf | najera does, cmon |
| greenmig | so marion fills the billups void o.0? |
| pennywise | I think we both did well in the trade. I needed to fill a void left by Billups...have been tinkering around with my roster but still unsure about how it will play out. He needed a pure Center, that could rebound and wanted a PF and Ves....I think if Ves turns out to be a stud, in a few years we will be talking about how bad I messed up on this one |
| badwolf | yeah, i dont think it's that bad either. hou on top of the west has to be a fluke (easy schedule?, easy conference?). Vesely is raw, but he was a high lottery pick |
| magritte | Let's face it, even with a nice start, this Rockets team wasn't winning anything this year. Marion is good but old and Jonas' game simply doesn't translate to the NLL. Houston gets the center he lacked and the best young player in the deal, and possibly the money to get Lewis or other pieces. I like the deal for both teams - Suns get better now and Houston doesn't lose a ton to get better for the future. |
| vt | Yeah this deal MAY have made sense if the Rockets were in last place. But they were leading the Western Conference and now gave up the best two players in the deal. Weak move that will likely continue this team's nadir a while longer. |
| Mavs4Life | HOU gave up 2 much in Marion and Jonas. PHO is a sneaky one haha |
| vt | Why oh why? You're on top of the Western Conference and you blow up your team. Good deal for PHO. |
| vt | His new "legit center" is getting 2mpg behind DJ White. He also spent 9 gm pts to bring in Shard. This deal tips heavily towards PHO. |
| nick | I don't see vasely as much of an upgrade over jerebko.... zaza and yi are both scrubs that wont improve much... they basically lost marion for nothing. |
| nick | Houston got swindled on this one i reckon... PHX is certainly a smooth talker |
| pennywise | no, actually, Klay is playing better than I expected...so Marion will start at the 4, with K-mart being the 4 off the bench...this trade does make me more athletic and suprisingly gives me more depth now...I'll play jonas at bkup sf and jj has played better for me in the 6th man role than as a starter originally, I was going to move Derozan to the 2 and have marion play the 3, but once I started fixing my lineup, things changed... |
| greenmig | my bad |
| badwolf | najera does, cmon |
| greenmig | so marion fills the billups void o.0? |
| pennywise | I think we both did well in the trade. I needed to fill a void left by Billups...have been tinkering around with my roster but still unsure about how it will play out. He needed a pure Center, that could rebound and wanted a PF and Ves....I think if Ves turns out to be a stud, in a few years we will be talking about how bad I messed up on this one |
| badwolf | yeah, i dont think it's that bad either. hou on top of the west has to be a fluke (easy schedule?, easy conference?). Vesely is raw, but he was a high lottery pick |
| magritte | Let's face it, even with a nice start, this Rockets team wasn't winning anything this year. Marion is good but old and Jonas' game simply doesn't translate to the NLL. Houston gets the center he lacked and the best young player in the deal, and possibly the money to get Lewis or other pieces. I like the deal for both teams - Suns get better now and Houston doesn't lose a ton to get better for the future. |
| vt | Yeah this deal MAY have made sense if the Rockets were in last place. But they were leading the Western Conference and now gave up the best two players in the deal. Weak move that will likely continue this team's nadir a while longer. |
| Mavs4Life | HOU gave up 2 much in Marion and Jonas. PHO is a sneaky one haha |
| vt | Why oh why? You're on top of the Western Conference and you blow up your team. Good deal for PHO. |
| greenmig | I would like to direct your attention to an old proverb...."a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"...... |
| laddas | Like I said the picks he got and you look at the players projected there, they're not too bad on the college level. Baylor is playing great ball this year and Quincy is an important part of that. I've read some articles that say its deep and some that say its great 1-20 but pretty average after. Just a matter of opinion I guess. Also cava have got a few guys with past injury problems..... So it could be a higher pick. You never know |
| nick | An article i read a couple of days ago said it reckons it's one of the shallowest drafts in a few years. I'm not sure i agree but it's definitely not consensus that it's deep. |
| badwolf | This draft is supposed to be deep as well as top heavy. But at 20+ it's always a hit and miss. |
| nick | Yeh it's not that bad for GS, it's pretty even, but it's certainly a nice deal for Toronto. Gibson has some nice ratings. |
| juvenile404 | Yeah, the minute I brought in Cleveland's 1st and looked at this draft I wanted to unload it. It is beautiful at the top and the bottom is a crap-shoot this year. (Not meaning there won't be surprises) I can always identify two or three guys I LOVE at the bottom of the first. Not this year. So I figured Taj was a better bet. I also don't think this is totally lopsided for GS, it is just a riskier approach. |
| nick | Laddas I heard this year's draft was more top-heavy than deep...? |
| badwolf | taj was a steal of his draft at 25 (?), he's worth more then a late pick and a 2nd, but it's not all that lopsided |
| laddas | yeah and theres a guy in the range named kevin jones who will probably bring the exact same qualities as taj if he goes for that. Also Baylor's Quincy Miller is projected early 2nd round and this kid is ave. 13/5 .483% in his freshman year. Its projected to be a very deep draft, so not too bad at all for the Warriors. Bad for now, but for future it isn't too bad. |
| magritte | I don't think this is a bad deal at all for GS. Granted, it would have been great to get a player in return, but he has a billion PFs and gets two picks in the 26-32 range in return for a guy who is superfluous to his team is not bad at all! |
| darko | Maybe he will get someone as good as Taj in the draft, but probably not. |
| greenmig | .. |
| vt | This guy is confused |
| greenmig | I would like to direct your attention to an old proverb...."a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"...... |
| laddas | Like I said the picks he got and you look at the players projected there, they're not too bad on the college level. Baylor is playing great ball this year and Quincy is an important part of that. I've read some articles that say its deep and some that say its great 1-20 but pretty average after. Just a matter of opinion I guess. Also cava have got a few guys with past injury problems..... So it could be a higher pick. You never know |
| nick | An article i read a couple of days ago said it reckons it's one of the shallowest drafts in a few years. I'm not sure i agree but it's definitely not consensus that it's deep. |
| badwolf | This draft is supposed to be deep as well as top heavy. But at 20+ it's always a hit and miss. |
| nick | Yeh it's not that bad for GS, it's pretty even, but it's certainly a nice deal for Toronto. Gibson has some nice ratings. |
| juvenile404 | Yeah, the minute I brought in Cleveland's 1st and looked at this draft I wanted to unload it. It is beautiful at the top and the bottom is a crap-shoot this year. (Not meaning there won't be surprises) I can always identify two or three guys I LOVE at the bottom of the first. Not this year. So I figured Taj was a better bet. I also don't think this is totally lopsided for GS, it is just a riskier approach. |
| nick | Laddas I heard this year's draft was more top-heavy than deep...? |
| badwolf | taj was a steal of his draft at 25 (?), he's worth more then a late pick and a 2nd, but it's not all that lopsided |
| laddas | yeah and theres a guy in the range named kevin jones who will probably bring the exact same qualities as taj if he goes for that. Also Baylor's Quincy Miller is projected early 2nd round and this kid is ave. 13/5 .483% in his freshman year. Its projected to be a very deep draft, so not too bad at all for the Warriors. Bad for now, but for future it isn't too bad. |
| magritte | I don't think this is a bad deal at all for GS. Granted, it would have been great to get a player in return, but he has a billion PFs and gets two picks in the 26-32 range in return for a guy who is superfluous to his team is not bad at all! |
| darko | Maybe he will get someone as good as Taj in the draft, but probably not. |
| greenmig | .. |
| vt | This guy is confused |
| leeroy | thats my plan nick... either going to look really smart or really stupid |
| nick | Such a random breakout... leeroy's whole team is full of breakout potential actually |
| pennywise | shrew GM work leeroy :) |
| leeroy | We love Pek down in Texas now.... but to say I had any inkling would be a lie |
| vt | This looks like a total steal now. |
| leeroy | thats my plan nick... either going to look really smart or really stupid |
| nick | Such a random breakout... leeroy's whole team is full of breakout potential actually |
| pennywise | shrew GM work leeroy :) |
| leeroy | We love Pek down in Texas now.... but to say I had any inkling would be a lie |
| vt | This looks like a total steal now. |
| badwolf | I never understood this, solid cheap player dumped for nothing |
| laddas | I'm pretty content with pau and Greg ;) Never rated him and when Nash goes you'll see why |
| vt | Just wanted to bring up this chestnut. ;) |
| badwolf | I never understood this, solid cheap player dumped for nothing |
| laddas | I'm pretty content with pau and Greg ;) Never rated him and when Nash goes you'll see why |
| vt | Just wanted to bring up this chestnut. ;) |
| sheed36 | Wait and see Nocioni will make 30 points per game after that in Indiana :P |
| greenmig | who's got bigger pants? |
| leeroy | lol nice... you can quote me from here if you like daved |
| daved | ok - i have my title for the GOTW - "Battle of the front courts" |
| leeroy | could be an interesting game then cause pekovic and patterson aren't much better |
| smokey | if you cant abuse a front court of Curry and Hansbrough I would be worried!!! |
| darko | OH SNAP! |
| leeroy | Haha that's ok bro we are gonna abuse your so called 'front court' next week too ;) |
| smokey | CHEAT!!! abusing the system hahahah |
| Loose89 | Thats how most players feel in the NLL isn't it? lol |
| darko | I bet Nocioni feels used and abused. He will never trust another NLL GM again. |
| leeroy | Pretty much :) signed him so cha had the cap space to take on millers contract |
| vt | I bet he took him on as part of that deal with CHA. |
| darko | 24 hour contract? |
| vt | Yeah- knowing Craig, though, he will make a move to reduce salary like trading down or waiving someone. We'll see what happens! |
| laddas | hes off my books! wahoo! :) |
| vt | Holy hell....this puts him at -7 gm pts per penalty hit. Guess his logic is he can't pay what he don't have.... |
| magritte | I wish I could have kept Haywood, but I wanted to try to get under lux tax. NJ is clear winner player wise, but hopefully my other guys can step up. I will be fine GM point wise. I only had 6 this off season and made as many moves as I wanted. Don't get me wrong, I'd love more. I do owe GM points that will be paid after week 4, when my recruit gets past the probationary period. Anyhow, I don't love the trade for me but not bad considering I offered Haywood for free to four teams who turned it down because of his contract. |
| badwolf | Great for the nets, just what they needed to be serious contenders |
| daved | doesn't he owe someone a bunch of gm pts from a prior loan? or am i getting confused??? |
| greenmig | playerwise, do we have a winner? |
| leeroy | I guess that's one way to get out of paying the lux tax lol |
| nick | Wow he's not going to be able to achieve anything in the offseason lol |
| vt | And Boyd is the first gm to hit 0 pts this season! |
| magritte | I wish I could have kept Haywood, but I wanted to try to get under lux tax. NJ is clear winner player wise, but hopefully my other guys can step up. I will be fine GM point wise. I only had 6 this off season and made as many moves as I wanted. Don't get me wrong, I'd love more. I do owe GM points that will be paid after week 4, when my recruit gets past the probationary period. Anyhow, I don't love the trade for me but not bad considering I offered Haywood for free to four teams who turned it down because of his contract. |
| badwolf | Great for the nets, just what they needed to be serious contenders |
| daved | doesn't he owe someone a bunch of gm pts from a prior loan? or am i getting confused??? |
| greenmig | playerwise, do we have a winner? |
| leeroy | I guess that's one way to get out of paying the lux tax lol |
| nick | Wow he's not going to be able to achieve anything in the offseason lol |
| vt | And Boyd is the first gm to hit 0 pts this season! |
| vt | HOU is going to have to pay him until someone picks him up. Hopefully he doesn't exercise his player option, but he probably will. |
| nick | It's a 2k-conscious move for ORL, and a NBA-conscious move for DEN |
| daved | "doesn't hurt himself" ... hahaha |
| laddas | Oh and Webster starts today verse the magic. Here's hoping he does well and doesn't hurt himself! Haha! |
| laddas | I can see where people will think this is bad, but i needed a sf, and i wanted him to be a shooter. So i went with webster. I didnt really want to move booker, but gray is more what i need. legit 7 footer who can board. They both have potential yes, and they are both starters in the nba atm.....but starters for 2 very bad teams. Im happy with the move, risky of course, but we'll see how it plays out. |
| Mavs4Life | DEN loses money, but gets better players haha "Linning" |
| magritte | I agree, but Orlando filled some real needs here, especially since they appear to be competitive right now. Webster can start at SF over Eyenga and Gray is a legitimate backup Center which they desperately needed. Good deal for both guys! |
| badwolf | for this year webster is a solid addition, but long term it's not a good deal for magic |
| darko | win for denver. Bayless and Booker have the brightest futures in this deal. |
| nick | It's a 2k-conscious move for ORL, and a NBA-conscious move for DEN |
| daved | "doesn't hurt himself" ... hahaha |
| laddas | Oh and Webster starts today verse the magic. Here's hoping he does well and doesn't hurt himself! Haha! |
| laddas | I can see where people will think this is bad, but i needed a sf, and i wanted him to be a shooter. So i went with webster. I didnt really want to move booker, but gray is more what i need. legit 7 footer who can board. They both have potential yes, and they are both starters in the nba atm.....but starters for 2 very bad teams. Im happy with the move, risky of course, but we'll see how it plays out. |
| Mavs4Life | DEN loses money, but gets better players haha "Linning" |
| magritte | I agree, but Orlando filled some real needs here, especially since they appear to be competitive right now. Webster can start at SF over Eyenga and Gray is a legitimate backup Center which they desperately needed. Good deal for both guys! |
| badwolf | for this year webster is a solid addition, but long term it's not a good deal for magic |
| darko | win for denver. Bayless and Booker have the brightest futures in this deal. |
| sheed36 | Who knows this chinese nerd would become this... |
| greenmig | could possibly be the beginning of the end for the evil empire... ;) |
| nick | Jeremy Lin is too christian to be part of the evil empire ;) |
| badwolf | he could be mine... |
| laddas | Yeah what was the reason? |
| vt | Still wondering.... |
| vt | Still wondering what this was all about... |
| nick | Fair trade. |
| magritte | Has he seen his roster? He's one of the richest there is with that lineup!!! |
| vt | and why isn't LAL saying stuff about the rich getting richer? |
| magritte | How come Dert isn't calling this shady? Haha! |
| laddas | Yeah what was the reason? |
| vt | Still wondering.... |
| vt | Still wondering what this was all about... |
| nick | Fair trade. |
| magritte | Has he seen his roster? He's one of the richest there is with that lineup!!! |
| vt | and why isn't LAL saying stuff about the rich getting richer? |
| magritte | How come Dert isn't calling this shady? Haha! |
| javijoe | Jimmer! |
| darko | Dalembert still available. :D |
| nick | I agree with forrest, rebuilding CAN be fun, watching your young guns develop... and sometimes you need to go through the rebuilding process in order to get a better team... if you can get an impact player in the draft then that's where your team's value goes way up |
| pennywise | how about rebuild and win at the same time?? :) |
| forrest | Rebuilding is kinda fun when watching your young players develop into stars. However it's such a long process, that requires patience and a lot of luck |
| javijoe | I don't believe in rebuilding. And I'll never TANK!! The older guys know how much winning means to me. Tanking is a sign of weakness, cowardice.... Like my old Jujitsu master used to tell us: When you must fight... FIGHT! If you get hit in the mouth, hit back... Harder, faster and more times than they can. But hey that's just me lol |
| pennywise | for a different pg... |
| pennywise | well, I'll take the cap filler from you. |
| darko | Why isnt anyone talking about Butler, he is who i wanted, chalmers was just cap filler. ;) |
| magritte | The beauty of this game is you can try to do both I think! |
| badwolf | harrington looks like his 2009 version again. but is Minesotta competing or rebuilding? |
| juvenile404 | I agree with Nick. Plus the Wizards NEED a PG, and got one. I'd say this is a good deal for both teams. |
| magritte | Harrington will be be on four different teams by then - so will Chalmers, haha |
| nick | Mario Chalmers has some talent... a good trade for a team looking to the future rather than present... harrington's contract will be a burden in a season or 2. |
| magritte | A career 7 boards a game ain't bad for a guy who can shoot like that. Great get for the Wolves! |
| pennywise | but is harrington really a "big man"....he can shoot!!! but not really a big factor on the glass |
| greenmig | nice trade for the wolves - much needed big man help. |
| javijoe | Jimmer! |
| darko | Dalembert still available. :D |
| nick | I agree with forrest, rebuilding CAN be fun, watching your young guns develop... and sometimes you need to go through the rebuilding process in order to get a better team... if you can get an impact player in the draft then that's where your team's value goes way up |
| pennywise | how about rebuild and win at the same time?? :) |
| forrest | Rebuilding is kinda fun when watching your young players develop into stars. However it's such a long process, that requires patience and a lot of luck |
| javijoe | I don't believe in rebuilding. And I'll never TANK!! The older guys know how much winning means to me. Tanking is a sign of weakness, cowardice.... Like my old Jujitsu master used to tell us: When you must fight... FIGHT! If you get hit in the mouth, hit back... Harder, faster and more times than they can. But hey that's just me lol |
| pennywise | for a different pg... |
| pennywise | well, I'll take the cap filler from you. |
| darko | Why isnt anyone talking about Butler, he is who i wanted, chalmers was just cap filler. ;) |
| magritte | The beauty of this game is you can try to do both I think! |
| badwolf | harrington looks like his 2009 version again. but is Minesotta competing or rebuilding? |
| juvenile404 | I agree with Nick. Plus the Wizards NEED a PG, and got one. I'd say this is a good deal for both teams. |
| magritte | Harrington will be be on four different teams by then - so will Chalmers, haha |
| nick | Mario Chalmers has some talent... a good trade for a team looking to the future rather than present... harrington's contract will be a burden in a season or 2. |
| magritte | A career 7 boards a game ain't bad for a guy who can shoot like that. Great get for the Wolves! |
| pennywise | but is harrington really a "big man"....he can shoot!!! but not really a big factor on the glass |
| greenmig | nice trade for the wolves - much needed big man help. |
| sheed36 | Signed him when i was in my honeymoon LOL hope he stays the same after Mello returns |
| alejandro | Damn you NBA Warriors, just damn you. |
| greenmig | pure genius.. |
| nick | Turned out to be a good signing - THE YELLOW MAMBA!!! |
| darko | 2 gm points and he would have been mine. |
| vt | Why not? Bump. |
| daved | hahaha ... screw jeremy lin - delfino is the man ... and good question leeroy - i yhink we need a poll |
| leeroy | lol. lin really is on everyone's mind lately |
| darko | wow, nevermind, i thought we were talking about Jeremy Lin. LOL. |
| darko | Guess he was born in America(los angeles), but he is Chinese and Taiwanese. At least thats what wiki says. |
| leeroy | He's from Argentina isn't he? dont they speak Spanish there? |
| darko | I dont think he is mexican/spanish |
| leeroy | so shall we say el Jman or Los Jman? |
| daved | trade of the season - this guy even looks a bit like jeff foster (if you squint and think real hard) |
| daved | hahaha ... screw jeremy lin - delfino is the man ... and good question leeroy - i yhink we need a poll |
| leeroy | lol. lin really is on everyone's mind lately |
| darko | wow, nevermind, i thought we were talking about Jeremy Lin. LOL. |
| darko | Guess he was born in America(los angeles), but he is Chinese and Taiwanese. At least thats what wiki says. |
| leeroy | He's from Argentina isn't he? dont they speak Spanish there? |
| darko | I dont think he is mexican/spanish |
| leeroy | so shall we say el Jman or Los Jman? |
| daved | trade of the season - this guy even looks a bit like jeff foster (if you squint and think real hard) |
| pennywise | yup...got him off the books for me:) |
| leeroy | MASSIVE |
| darko | he will be a restricted FA. |
| nick | for GS* |
| nick | A few nice pieces gos GS, assuming McGee resigns |
| forrest | Valanciunas could end up being the best player in this trade, but I would say Javale Mcgee is currently the best. |
| badwolf | It was a financial move for me. I didn't want to extend both mcgee and westbrook in the offseason. I think the deal is the best for detroit, I'd prefer jonas over my package. Guys somehow randolph has value in this league. |
| greenmig | although not surprised to see the evil empire wrestling another 1st rnd pick away from an unsuspecting foe...muhahaha! |
| darko | Yeah GS came out on top. |
| greenmig | wow, my first impression is MIL and DET give up ALOT and GS ends up with all the marbles. Great deal for GS!! |
| Loose89 | Woah! massive trade |
| darko | he will be a restricted FA. |
| nick | for GS* |
| nick | A few nice pieces gos GS, assuming McGee resigns |
| forrest | Valanciunas could end up being the best player in this trade, but I would say Javale Mcgee is currently the best. |
| badwolf | It was a financial move for me. I didn't want to extend both mcgee and westbrook in the offseason. I think the deal is the best for detroit, I'd prefer jonas over my package. Guys somehow randolph has value in this league. |
| greenmig | although not surprised to see the evil empire wrestling another 1st rnd pick away from an unsuspecting foe...muhahaha! |
| darko | Yeah GS came out on top. |
| greenmig | wow, my first impression is MIL and DET give up ALOT and GS ends up with all the marbles. Great deal for GS!! |
| Loose89 | Woah! massive trade |
| darko | he will be a restricted FA. |
| nick | for GS* |
| nick | A few nice pieces gos GS, assuming McGee resigns |
| forrest | Valanciunas could end up being the best player in this trade, but I would say Javale Mcgee is currently the best. |
| badwolf | It was a financial move for me. I didn't want to extend both mcgee and westbrook in the offseason. I think the deal is the best for detroit, I'd prefer jonas over my package. Guys somehow randolph has value in this league. |
| greenmig | although not surprised to see the evil empire wrestling another 1st rnd pick away from an unsuspecting foe...muhahaha! |
| darko | Yeah GS came out on top. |
| greenmig | wow, my first impression is MIL and DET give up ALOT and GS ends up with all the marbles. Great deal for GS!! |
| Loose89 | Woah! massive trade |
| pennywise | damn chauncey for getting hurt...out for the season and probably career ending |
| pennywise | damn chauncey for getting hurt...out for the season and probably career ending |
| pennywise | Yeah billups went down...gonna have to move Redick to starting SG...working on trade for backup PG...I have klay to backup SG, or can move Derozan there some and give ves more burn at the SF |
| nick | It was the 'better players' factor that got PHX over the top here. Nice pickup. |
| vt | well, it looks like he may just have lost billups for awhile. |
| vt | correct |
| greenmig | nice pickup! however, not that it looks like it would change the outcome as he spent 11gm pts, but it looks like the 'wins' factor is using this season's current w/l records (not last seasons) - is this correct? |
| nick | and thanks! :) you too |
| nick | Yeh Blair seems to have fallen out of favour for Splitter for Spurs in NBA.... but his contract is too good to pass on! And i can definitely see him being a starter for a team in the future. |
| javijoe | I just wasn't happy with the rumblings here in SA. Blair is an enigma. The price is great for him. I am happy with this deal for sure. Always good dealing with Nick. :) |
| nick | particularly for the economic side of things |
| nick | Well Marvin is actually quietly having a career year this season in the nba, in terms of production per minute (higher PER than blair)... but yeh i'm pretty pleased |
| houndy | Yeah!!! |
| magritte | Great deal for Denver!!! |
| nick | and thanks! :) you too |
| nick | Yeh Blair seems to have fallen out of favour for Splitter for Spurs in NBA.... but his contract is too good to pass on! And i can definitely see him being a starter for a team in the future. |
| javijoe | I just wasn't happy with the rumblings here in SA. Blair is an enigma. The price is great for him. I am happy with this deal for sure. Always good dealing with Nick. :) |
| nick | particularly for the economic side of things |
| nick | Well Marvin is actually quietly having a career year this season in the nba, in terms of production per minute (higher PER than blair)... but yeh i'm pretty pleased |
| houndy | Yeah!!! |
| magritte | Great deal for Denver!!! |
| Loose89 | argh.. another one i wanted gone lol |
| alejandro | Don't know much about Motiejunas, but he has been putting up some big numbers lately. Assuming the pick ends up in the 20s, DET got fair value back. |
| royal | Exactly pennywise. Me myself, I'm not a big NCAA expert so I don't now much about late 1st round prospects from there, but Motiejunas on the other hand comes from neighbour country Lithuania, so I know what he's capable of. |
| pennywise | yeah, this really isn't a loss for either...just whether you covet Monti, or you have your eyes on some of the rookies coming out next year. |
| smokey | with the depth of this years draft I think with the CLE pick you would be able to find a guy as good or possibly better (potential wise) anyway so I think this trade is alright for both teams! |
| pennywise | the guy is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Sabonis, but will be in NBA before all the injuries took their toll on him. |
| dunadan | you are sitting at 2-2 :) |
| royal | Mavs4Life, that's right lol, but seriously this way we can still suck this year to get a high pick and still get all those players next year to build a competitive team. |
| nick | CLE pick should be a mid-late sort of range so a decent trade for Detroit. |
| Loose89 | I was tempted to go after him but i dont have anything i could trade for him (i dont want to trade my first rounder lol) |
| Mavs4Life | DET building up on those player rights haha. |
| alejandro | Don't know much about Motiejunas, but he has been putting up some big numbers lately. Assuming the pick ends up in the 20s, DET got fair value back. |
| royal | Exactly pennywise. Me myself, I'm not a big NCAA expert so I don't now much about late 1st round prospects from there, but Motiejunas on the other hand comes from neighbour country Lithuania, so I know what he's capable of. |
| pennywise | yeah, this really isn't a loss for either...just whether you covet Monti, or you have your eyes on some of the rookies coming out next year. |
| smokey | with the depth of this years draft I think with the CLE pick you would be able to find a guy as good or possibly better (potential wise) anyway so I think this trade is alright for both teams! |
| pennywise | the guy is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Sabonis, but will be in NBA before all the injuries took their toll on him. |
| dunadan | you are sitting at 2-2 :) |
| royal | Mavs4Life, that's right lol, but seriously this way we can still suck this year to get a high pick and still get all those players next year to build a competitive team. |
| nick | CLE pick should be a mid-late sort of range so a decent trade for Detroit. |
| Loose89 | I was tempted to go after him but i dont have anything i could trade for him (i dont want to trade my first rounder lol) |
| Mavs4Life | DET building up on those player rights haha. |
| laddas | Well I had a trade lol! Oh well |
| laddas | Well I have a trade coming so had to make room. |
| vt | What was the point of this? Wednesday- the day of strange waivings. |
| laddas | Hmmmm guess I jumped the gun! Whoops! |
| dunadan | what happened here? |
| vt | I think it works like this: you can't amnesty anyone you sign or gain DURING the season but when the season rolls over you can. |
| greenmig | I think you can. For 3yrs, it is valid. |
| juvenile404 | you can't amnesty someone you pick up anyways. the guy has to have been on your roster before the new CBA. |
| pennywise | Was hoping to save my amnesty |
| greenmig | yer good point laddas. rashard would probably score 20ppg this season in NLL 2k12. then you boot him if you dont like the salary lol. |
| laddas | you could've amnestied that though ;) |
| pennywise | yup...there were only 3 guys I could get that would have me above it too! I didn't want a player with a player option(Diop) and Rashard Lewis's contract, though ridiculous, could have been considered if it was a 1 yr rental, but he's got a 2 yr... |
| greenmig | ah yer the minimum salary rule. forgot about that one. |
| pennywise | Had to get to a certain amount of money spent or would get fined, wasn't going to take a player like Diop that could end up on my team next year without me wanting him there. He had player option. |
| darko | I thought about signing him just so i had a chance to resign him after the season. |
| Loose89 | Except he's out for a few months... |
| greenmig | decent addition - you may as well spend your money. |
| leeroy | moved on and going to let sleeping dogs lie mate.... plus as someone put it to me i did a favor to a horrible team... that's my good deed for the season :) |
| greenmig | so this one is all good now? |
| dazman32 | Yeah i know man, not having a go at all. Ive been caught in this trap on many occasions, getting set on having a guy come to my team, only for the other gm to change there mind and ask for more. Its a negotiating tactic for the more experienced that usually works on me to my detriment.
Unfortunately in this case, you had a panel of judges kind of doing the same thing on behalf of a rookie gm, when its supposed to be about only making sure the rookie isn't getting screwed, not about them getting the absolute best deal they can. Still if Atlanta go very well this year, and Houston are again near the bottom, those draft picks wont be that far apart and this deal will suddenly look more even by seasons end. Don't write your team off just yet mate, id take your roster over many others any day of the week. |
| leeroy | Daz as I said in hindsight I should have canned it . I'm more pissed at the fact that someone made it sound like hou was getting ripped off in the 1 st deal when clearly from the response from the league he wasn't ... The instructions clearly state that only reject it if it's a blatant rip off... And no the gm hasnt got onto me about it yet but fuck it kinda just want the season to start so I can start working towards my top 3 pick |
| dazman32 | People rate players and trades differently, maybe you got a bunch of gm's who love Wes. Still, it doesn't mean you have to completely overpay in a deal, you didn't have to offer this. If you felt the other one was fair you shouldn't have gone any higher and just broke of negotiations. |
| smokey | I don't think anyone is trying to say that the system is in place to favour all the new gm's at all... the whole point people are trying to get across is that the first deal was completely fair and that there was no need for it to get rejected which in turn meant SA had to go and offer MORE to get Wes Johnson... i just hope the person who rejected it has had a chat to SA about the whole situataion, because even if it was another vet GM in the league that made this trade with HOU the same reaction would have came! |
| pennywise | I dont think u can say they all favor new gms. Everyone was giving me a hard time over my favors trade. I had to push to get trade to go through. But I can see why rule is in place. Some newer owners may not fully grasp the system, and could hurt team for long term |
| leeroy | Think that discussion is next door darko |
| darko | Atlanta does look good, being in the east, they could very well be in the lottery because there are so many good teams. Which also means a shot at a top 3 pick. |
| daved | the instructions are pretty clear that it should only be rejected if it is a total rip off for the newbie - it says it about 3 times - it wasn't a rip off .... sure wes is potentially the best player involved, but it wasn't a rip off ..... and yeah, the potential for a gm to reject it to get their own deal is possible - which may suggest changing it to a majority thing rather no one reject it |
| smokey | I think some people were over rating wes... roddy is averaging pretty much the exact same numbers as him in the NBA and Roddy is coming off the bench. these guys are just full of potential and that's it at the moment. maybe badwolf is right too about giving the control back to the league? and what leeroy said that it would be easy for a GM to can a deal if he was going for the same player that one of the teams is trading.. |
| smokey | I think some people were over rating wes... roddy is averaging pretty much the exact same numbers as him in the NBA and Roddy is coming off the bench. these guys are just full of potential and that's it at the moment. maybe badwolf is right too about giving the control back to the league? and what leeroy said that it would be easy for a GM to can a deal if he was going for the same player that one of the teams is trading.. |
| leeroy | that's what we were sent for the first deal.....which to me makes it sound like a total rip off... that's why id like to have a chat to whoever sent it out of public obviously.... now like i said i should have canned it but talking to another gm about my 1st deal he also made it sound like i was ripping Houston..... it kinda sucks because what if a deal is sent to a gm that is going for the player your trading for?? very easy for someone to make up a speil and can the deal... |
| leeroy | No to this trade as is. It may be tweaked but I don't really see it happening. Houston is giving up way too much for a young star and although Roddy is good and a 1st LOOKS good, it doesn't compare to Wes' ability. The first rounder will most likely be a mid-to-late pick anyway. Definitely not good for Houston. |
| badwolf | what were the reasons stated for the rejection of the first deal? |
| badwolf | i was talking with PHX the other day... the only way a trade with a rookie gm gets approved through new system is if its a total rip off for them... like this one is... jerebko for wes would be fair tbh, adding beaubois and 1st is just overkill.. i'm in favour of some tweaks in the system or just giving it back to the league FO |
| leeroy | Just wondering who rejected the first deal... wouldn't mind having a chat and picking their brain... |
| greenmig | good to see a new GM get a break. but yer I agree, SA gave alot. be interesting to see who the judges where on this one... |
| smokey | Agree. Wes is busting at the moment in the nba! He is full of POTENTIAL! And roddy is exactly the same. They both have the same amount of potential. Roddy will start as soon as Kidd retires! Still baffles me to see how this was rejected. The original doesn rip of either team!!! Maybe daved is right we need to reconsider the system! |
| houndy | Basically, Beaubois and Johnson are about equal imo, Peko is pretty good, and you get the 1st rounder. It's sorta odd why it was rejected... |
| smokey | Totally agree! This offer is way too much! The original offer was fine. I would really like to know who rejected it and for them to give a reason why they didn't let it go through the first time!!! |
| daved | mmmmm - i think the original is fair too .... i thought the approval thing was only supposed to stop new guys getting ripped off (emphasis on ripped off! - trades will always favour one way or the other at a point in time) - seems some people are perhaps a bit harsher judging ... maybe it should be changed to a marjority thing rather than all 3 people have to approve? |
| houndy | i thought that trade before the rejection was fair |
| leeroy | me either darko.... dunno what to say really i should have pulled the pin. but whatever my team stinks anyway why not even more |
| darko | What a rip off. I cant believe spurs had to give that much up just to get it to pass. |
| leeroy | my original offer of beaubois,pekovic, atl 1st for wes i felt was fair was shut down... howevr i was getting desperate for a SG prospect... right now this trade is not great.. IF and its a big if, wes can become what he was touted as then im happy to get him.. if he continues on this path i got smashed but some other gm's way overrate where hes at and i really wanted him |
| leeroy | i tried to give less but the trades were getting rejected |
| daved | mmmmm ... perhaps spurs didn't need to give that much? |
| dazman32 | I agree, nice trade by Houston |
| Mavs4Life | A good trade for Houston IMO. They get two great young guys and another 1st rounder, even if it may end up being low. |
| leeroy | moved on and going to let sleeping dogs lie mate.... plus as someone put it to me i did a favor to a horrible team... that's my good deed for the season :) |
| greenmig | so this one is all good now? |
| dazman32 | Yeah i know man, not having a go at all. Ive been caught in this trap on many occasions, getting set on having a guy come to my team, only for the other gm to change there mind and ask for more. Its a negotiating tactic for the more experienced that usually works on me to my detriment.
Unfortunately in this case, you had a panel of judges kind of doing the same thing on behalf of a rookie gm, when its supposed to be about only making sure the rookie isn't getting screwed, not about them getting the absolute best deal they can. Still if Atlanta go very well this year, and Houston are again near the bottom, those draft picks wont be that far apart and this deal will suddenly look more even by seasons end. Don't write your team off just yet mate, id take your roster over many others any day of the week. |
| leeroy | Daz as I said in hindsight I should have canned it . I'm more pissed at the fact that someone made it sound like hou was getting ripped off in the 1 st deal when clearly from the response from the league he wasn't ... The instructions clearly state that only reject it if it's a blatant rip off... And no the gm hasnt got onto me about it yet but fuck it kinda just want the season to start so I can start working towards my top 3 pick |
| dazman32 | People rate players and trades differently, maybe you got a bunch of gm's who love Wes. Still, it doesn't mean you have to completely overpay in a deal, you didn't have to offer this. If you felt the other one was fair you shouldn't have gone any higher and just broke of negotiations. |
| smokey | I don't think anyone is trying to say that the system is in place to favour all the new gm's at all... the whole point people are trying to get across is that the first deal was completely fair and that there was no need for it to get rejected which in turn meant SA had to go and offer MORE to get Wes Johnson... i just hope the person who rejected it has had a chat to SA about the whole situataion, because even if it was another vet GM in the league that made this trade with HOU the same reaction would have came! |
| pennywise | I dont think u can say they all favor new gms. Everyone was giving me a hard time over my favors trade. I had to push to get trade to go through. But I can see why rule is in place. Some newer owners may not fully grasp the system, and could hurt team for long term |
| leeroy | Think that discussion is next door darko |
| darko | Atlanta does look good, being in the east, they could very well be in the lottery because there are so many good teams. Which also means a shot at a top 3 pick. |
| daved | the instructions are pretty clear that it should only be rejected if it is a total rip off for the newbie - it says it about 3 times - it wasn't a rip off .... sure wes is potentially the best player involved, but it wasn't a rip off ..... and yeah, the potential for a gm to reject it to get their own deal is possible - which may suggest changing it to a majority thing rather no one reject it |
| smokey | I think some people were over rating wes... roddy is averaging pretty much the exact same numbers as him in the NBA and Roddy is coming off the bench. these guys are just full of potential and that's it at the moment. maybe badwolf is right too about giving the control back to the league? and what leeroy said that it would be easy for a GM to can a deal if he was going for the same player that one of the teams is trading.. |
| smokey | I think some people were over rating wes... roddy is averaging pretty much the exact same numbers as him in the NBA and Roddy is coming off the bench. these guys are just full of potential and that's it at the moment. maybe badwolf is right too about giving the control back to the league? and what leeroy said that it would be easy for a GM to can a deal if he was going for the same player that one of the teams is trading.. |
| leeroy | that's what we were sent for the first deal.....which to me makes it sound like a total rip off... that's why id like to have a chat to whoever sent it out of public obviously.... now like i said i should have canned it but talking to another gm about my 1st deal he also made it sound like i was ripping Houston..... it kinda sucks because what if a deal is sent to a gm that is going for the player your trading for?? very easy for someone to make up a speil and can the deal... |
| leeroy | No to this trade as is. It may be tweaked but I don't really see it happening. Houston is giving up way too much for a young star and although Roddy is good and a 1st LOOKS good, it doesn't compare to Wes' ability. The first rounder will most likely be a mid-to-late pick anyway. Definitely not good for Houston. |
| badwolf | what were the reasons stated for the rejection of the first deal? |
| badwolf | i was talking with PHX the other day... the only way a trade with a rookie gm gets approved through new system is if its a total rip off for them... like this one is... jerebko for wes would be fair tbh, adding beaubois and 1st is just overkill.. i'm in favour of some tweaks in the system or just giving it back to the league FO |
| leeroy | Just wondering who rejected the first deal... wouldn't mind having a chat and picking their brain... |
| greenmig | good to see a new GM get a break. but yer I agree, SA gave alot. be interesting to see who the judges where on this one... |
| smokey | Agree. Wes is busting at the moment in the nba! He is full of POTENTIAL! And roddy is exactly the same. They both have the same amount of potential. Roddy will start as soon as Kidd retires! Still baffles me to see how this was rejected. The original doesn rip of either team!!! Maybe daved is right we need to reconsider the system! |
| houndy | Basically, Beaubois and Johnson are about equal imo, Peko is pretty good, and you get the 1st rounder. It's sorta odd why it was rejected... |
| smokey | Totally agree! This offer is way too much! The original offer was fine. I would really like to know who rejected it and for them to give a reason why they didn't let it go through the first time!!! |
| daved | mmmmm - i think the original is fair too .... i thought the approval thing was only supposed to stop new guys getting ripped off (emphasis on ripped off! - trades will always favour one way or the other at a point in time) - seems some people are perhaps a bit harsher judging ... maybe it should be changed to a marjority thing rather than all 3 people have to approve? |
| houndy | i thought that trade before the rejection was fair |
| leeroy | me either darko.... dunno what to say really i should have pulled the pin. but whatever my team stinks anyway why not even more |
| darko | What a rip off. I cant believe spurs had to give that much up just to get it to pass. |
| leeroy | my original offer of beaubois,pekovic, atl 1st for wes i felt was fair was shut down... howevr i was getting desperate for a SG prospect... right now this trade is not great.. IF and its a big if, wes can become what he was touted as then im happy to get him.. if he continues on this path i got smashed but some other gm's way overrate where hes at and i really wanted him |
| leeroy | i tried to give less but the trades were getting rejected |
| daved | mmmmm ... perhaps spurs didn't need to give that much? |
| dazman32 | I agree, nice trade by Houston |
| Mavs4Life | A good trade for Houston IMO. They get two great young guys and another 1st rounder, even if it may end up being low. |
| greenmig | I saw Eddy - he looks skinny!! this could be a steal, he's still only 29yrs old |
| Loose89 | Well i didnt know i could until now... thanks! lol. Yea its always good when someone can turn themselves around like that, i hope he can finish off his career with some solid numbers and a ring or two. |
| smokey | will hopefully keep playing in the NBA... from all reports the guy got up to about 400lbs... good on him for getting back into shape and back in an NBA uniform though.. Loose you should have just bid on him without actually putting any GM points on him atleast then you whould have had a chance to sign him, and even if you didn't win, you don't lose any GM points!! :-) |
| Loose89 | I had my eye on him for a while... just couldnt risk losing anymore GMP's :( |
| juvenile404 | He debuted against the Lakers and looked pretty decent. |
| magritte | he is playing right now in the nba |
| vt | someone who will never, ever play? |
| magritte | I had 3 GM points on him then I took them back - augh! I would have had him, and sadly enough, I kinda need someone like Curry! |
| greenmig | big brian finally finds a home.. |
| pennywise | that sux:/ |
| darko | awesome, i trade for orton, then they decline his option. If i would have known that i would have rather kept my 2nd rounder. :/ |
| pennywise | that sux:/ |
| darko | awesome, i trade for orton, then they decline his option. If i would have known that i would have rather kept my 2nd rounder. :/ |
| pennywise | sweet...He will find some minutes over here...we may have another trade in the works also... |
| darko | The previous owner traded Battier and Yi for billups and Evans, now you get Yi back for free. LOL |
| greenmig | Nice, this guy is an NLL Champion and a monster in big games...he will serve you well |
| pennywise | damn....2 free agents in one offseason...and they said it couldn't be done:) |
| greenmig | geez im confused...;) |
| leeroy | yep so for clarity if bogut plays 2 games in the nba for the rest of the season no conditional picks.... if he does not then ATL can swap 1st rounders with SA next season if he chooses not to then 2013-2014 draft atl and sa will swap 1st's if sa is a higher pick. if atl has a higher 1st then SA 1st for ATL 2nd |
| houndy | and if his picks are higher than mine, i have the abilito to swap his 1st rounder for my 2nd |
| houndy | new conditional: If bogut misses the rest of the year, ATL can swap 1st rounders with SAS no matter the position of each team. ATL has the option to do it the next year |
| pennywise | did you see the injury? I don't see Bogut playing this season |
| leeroy | My understanding was if he misses over 50 games through injury it was a 1st in 13/14 now this is where it might get tricky he's played 12 missed 4 for personal reasons that means he sits out the rest of the season that's right on 50 :/ |
| houndy | If Bogut misses 40 or 50+ (leeroy can verify) games I get a first rounder |
| vt | So what was the conditional pick in this one again? |
| greenmig | geez im confused...;) |
| leeroy | yep so for clarity if bogut plays 2 games in the nba for the rest of the season no conditional picks.... if he does not then ATL can swap 1st rounders with SA next season if he chooses not to then 2013-2014 draft atl and sa will swap 1st's if sa is a higher pick. if atl has a higher 1st then SA 1st for ATL 2nd |
| houndy | and if his picks are higher than mine, i have the abilito to swap his 1st rounder for my 2nd |
| houndy | new conditional: If bogut misses the rest of the year, ATL can swap 1st rounders with SAS no matter the position of each team. ATL has the option to do it the next year |
| pennywise | did you see the injury? I don't see Bogut playing this season |
| leeroy | My understanding was if he misses over 50 games through injury it was a 1st in 13/14 now this is where it might get tricky he's played 12 missed 4 for personal reasons that means he sits out the rest of the season that's right on 50 :/ |
| houndy | If Bogut misses 40 or 50+ (leeroy can verify) games I get a first rounder |
| vt | So what was the conditional pick in this one again? |
| greenmig | yer i blew 35gm's on butler and got a donut, so maybe this is karma's way of paying me back :).....dont hate the player, hate the system lol...cheers, greenmig |
| greenmig | *soon |
| greenmig | Wow sorry fellas, wtf they all signed with me....ill be home film and release 2 ASAP....crazy stuff....peace, Greenmig. |
| daved | tbh I don't know if there is any easy way to make this better .... i was gonna throw 10 gm pts at Gee cos i really wanted a SF, but I thought someone would have thrown heaps more at him and i would have wasted em :( |
| dazman32 | You were second in line for Gee there Loose, 5 gm points would have nabbed him. |
| Loose89 | I bid on all of the players here hoping to get one :/ |
| pennywise | maybe 2 at each position, but 1 projected high bid and a less wanted guy at same position....I know I hadn't put a bid in for like 4 days before bidding on both redd and gee |
| daved | having said all this - i can understand why a single team bids on 4 players of the same type, because it can be so f'n hard to get anyone! |
| darko | would make more sense to have maybe 5 new players at a time one at each position. |
| dazman32 | Gee ain't nothing special. Don't understand the love for him. LA is just a revolving door of free agents at the moment. |
| pennywise | maybe just change the timing on some players....gee and redd at same time, most ppl are gonna try for both, hoping to get 1 of them. |
| daved | wowsers! - I assume some scraps will get thrown back on hte heaps soon ... I think this is a bit of a flaw in the FA thing - the better players is calculated at the time the bid is made - but there's no way 4 of the same type of player would sign with a team at the same time |
| darko | thanks for taking all the shooting guards in one swoop. -_- |
| vt | Thank god for gluttony...looks like no rondo or barea for me for week 1. |
| nick | Haha! |
| darko | Next thing you know, West is having sex with manu ginobili's mom. |
| nick | West signs with contenders in real life too... *shrug* |
| vt | man, that's the cauldron calling the kettle black. |
| greenmig | sheer gluttony... |
| vt | He will remain a C next season. |
| badwolf | very strange... but he's an automatic resign if someone picks him up as he's automatically an A in loyalty? or is he a C till he gets resigned, which will be to late? |
| vt | Not this one....PHO turned this one down. |
| daved | i just realised these were all forced by the nba .... didn't they trade for pondexter in the nba? why then decline his option? i guess maybe the trade was to get rid of money??? |
| daved | its still best to take up team options on young cheap players (emphasis on cheap) - would make them more easily traded also |
| magritte | i'd love him, but don't have much to offer |
| pennywise | he just doesn't get any pt here in Phoenix...we would be willing to offer him up in a trade. Somewhere he would be better utilized |
| royal | Finally a FA comes to Detroit! |
| Loose89 | Yesss Charlotte finally lands a FA |
| leeroy | Oh there it is I knew I was doing something wrong |
| magritte | The Rhino missed playing for me!!! I get them all hookers. It's a skill! |
| leeroy | yeah Boyd must have some sort of 'gift' to get all these guys to come to OKC |
| dunadan | damn you OKC. not again! ;) |
| daved | ohhhh .... was that the same with pondexter? |
| pennywise | oh, damn that sux |
| vt | It wasn't HOU's decision. He was declined in the NBA which means automatic decline here in the NLL. |
| pennywise | I'll take him!!! |
| magritte | Does this surprise anyone else? Although he has been mediocre in the NBA, he's cheap and good in the NLL.... |
| pennywise | well, just wait until my Central division preview(note shameless plug) is released!! I'm offended, by the way. I go to all that effort to get hot team cheerleaders in the SW preview, and I only get 2 comments about them......very disappointing guys... |
| proid | Wake me up when there is something more interesting to read besides an argument over Brian Cardinal. By the way that blue marble with the cat eye swirl is mine. |
| pennywise | And I'm thinking I'm a have not...but to me, half the fun of a league like this is to create a great team.... |
| pennywise | wow...lots of pent up tension and aggression...one thing is pretty obvious....Everyone is ready for the regular season...gotta get some of those frustrations on the court in meaningful games!!! |
| magritte | I am confused. In this scenario, am I one of the haves getting more? The best free agent I have signed was Shelden Williams and I spent 10 GM points to get him. Dave spent 10 GM points on West. If Charlotte had offered 10, he would have gone there instead. Is Charlotte a have too? I am confused about what the argument against the system is? Do we want just random selection? |
| greenmig | Mate I'm just stating facts, he is the one getting all ugly and taking cheap shots at me and other gm's re: trades etc. But, when I point out one simple fact he gets all defensive and begins a barrage of personal attacks. I really dont mind about the system or how good the team is but I do take offense to the smug attitude - I dont do "one way streets" to well mate, I'm sorry". I stand up and call it how I see it, by calling a spade a spade as we do over here in Aus. I'm not sugar coating it. Numbers dont lie. $74.2M is $74.2M. |
| nick | Greeny don't blame the system structure on dave just because he has an awesome team... give the guy some credit... his team is good because he is an experienced GM that has made smart moves consistently for like 7 years lol... i think it's pretty unfair to make out like dave is bending the rules to suit him or something, when all he does is constant moneyless work for the betterment of the overall league... |
| greenmig | wait? threats? where did i threaten you? you whined about ME waiving one guy. i replied - you accused me of having a team as good as yours. i proved you incorrect. you then accused me of jealousy and implied I was a sore loser. Why should I tolerate you throwing your weight around, all I am doing is pointing out facts - and you cant handle the truth. So now you pull rank on me - rofl good example bro. feel free to talk offline but lets keep it real hey? |
| vt | I sign ONE guy and suddenly I'm cheating, etc. I will not tolerate threats though. We can talk about this off a public forum. |
| greenmig | yup keep on trying to send this off-topic richey rich. clear sign of guilt. unfortunate...be best you just lay low I would say... |
| vt | Sure thing, Mr. 50. |
| greenmig | keep defending yourself and sending out personal attacks - it just sounds guilty... |
| greenmig | definitely not as sweet as the ones you're feasting on big boy...you're setting a top example keep it up. mr $74.2M. |
| vt | And i wouldn't have signed him if Rondo, Manu, Carter and Barea weren't all dealing with some sort of injury. Let suffering teams like HOU and CHA complain, from you it just feels whiny. |
| vt | Greeny- those grapes must taste REALLY sour tonight. |
| greenmig | Wait so we're comparing my team to yours here - where you just signed Delonte West as your 3rd string pg? rofl you serious? Where do we start, most of your team starts in the NBA. 14 of 15 guys play over 17mins per game in the NBA. Your backup 5 is probably a better starting 5 than mine and half the league lol. C-Asik, PF-Smith, SF-Carter, SG-Fields, PG-Barea/West. Dude you are delusional. I would keep a low profile if I was you and just let us peasants fight over the scraps such as Cardinal and such while you feast like a king lol. |
| vt | How so, Greeny? I'm not making any noise about the rich getting richer while having one of the top teams in the league. |
| greenmig | Like Magritte did, I bid on many cos I haven't been successful in filling my roster up until now, only to this time land 4 guys at once and go over...so had to release to maintain 15 max as per the rules. |
| pennywise | What is with the FA signing only to be released...this seems to be a trend as this is the 3rd or so player that this has happened to so far. |
| greenmig | well spotted Mr $74.2M, you must live in a glass mansion...*cough* ;) |
| vt | To make matters worse....quoted from the below TRENDING where BOYD SIGNED AND WAIVED THE SAME GUY! "greenmig 01/23 01:03 am lame.." The stones are hitting the glass house now. |
| greenmig | rofl... |
| vt | This poor guy.... |
| daved | ok - hornets have now achieved their superstar play quota - championship here we come |
| tmacf13 | Everyone but Boyd. |
| WALLrus | everyone does |
| jaz | I heart Greivis |
| WALLrus | yes i do, i can sign a min player no matter what my cap situation is, so i should have saved my MLE so if i wanted to use it on a non min player during the year i can |
| vt | Ezra- do you understand why using your MLE here was the wrong thing? |
| vt | He WAS minimum. |
| darko | If he was a minimum contract player he would be able to be signed over the cap without using the MLE |
| WALLrus | i understand, i needed a back up PG, i only had 1, i wanted 2 make sure i signed carter |
| vt | I really wish these new guys understood the rules. I explained all in that forum post. What a waste! |
| royal | The Man, The Myth, The Legend! Shame that I missed on him, aparently I have 5 better players than him, but everybody knows Scal is the best. |
| nick | THE WHITE MAMBA! may aswell give the championship trophy to the kings now. |
| Mavs4Life | Niiiiiice. |
| nick | Lol dave d hates the FA process.. |
| daved | FA is a bitch - you get no one, so you bid on multiple dudes - then u get em all |
| greenmig | lame.. |
| nick | Lol... OKC beat out a bunch of teams for cardinal only to release him |
| dazman32 | Yeah lol, got 2 guys that the radio boys said not to get |
| laddas | have fun with this guy :P |
| juvenile404 | Ehh, I wanted Wilkins and so I got him. He's played in 15 games for Detroit so far and averages 15 MPG. He's a back-up SG on a team that really isn't that deep on the wing. If one guys goes down for Detroit Wilkins will be seeing some major time. |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's getting time with the Pistons. |
| nick | 10 gm pts? Is wilkins even playing in the nba right now? lol |
| darko | Yeah thats odd. He would have won him even without the gm points. But im pretty sure wilkins isnt worth 1 gm point. |
| houndy | 10 gm points? |
| houndy | lol, made me have a stronger 5 and laddas a stronger bench |
| laddas | Though after checking out the team rankings, this deal did round out my team a heck of a lot better. |
| laddas | spot on nick ;) |
| nick | I agree with badwolf here. In terms of 2k, atlanta just lost 3 "nothing" players for a starter who i would think still has plenty in the tank (skinny athletes age well in sports), rip hamilton who is a genuine threat. Orlando also lose a shitload of gm pts. I doubt orlando would have done this if he didn't need the roster fillers. But really, it's a fine deal for both teams. |
| badwolf | is it? i like it much more for atlanta. If Rip is healthy he's the best player here, by far. We'll have to seriously consider atlanta in the East. Orlando, whho head one of the best starting fives in the east, is just a bit less intimidating. |
| magritte | Great deal for Orlando! |
| houndy | lol, made me have a stronger 5 and laddas a stronger bench |
| laddas | Though after checking out the team rankings, this deal did round out my team a heck of a lot better. |
| laddas | spot on nick ;) |
| nick | I agree with badwolf here. In terms of 2k, atlanta just lost 3 "nothing" players for a starter who i would think still has plenty in the tank (skinny athletes age well in sports), rip hamilton who is a genuine threat. Orlando also lose a shitload of gm pts. I doubt orlando would have done this if he didn't need the roster fillers. But really, it's a fine deal for both teams. |
| badwolf | is it? i like it much more for atlanta. If Rip is healthy he's the best player here, by far. We'll have to seriously consider atlanta in the East. Orlando, whho head one of the best starting fives in the east, is just a bit less intimidating. |
| magritte | Great deal for Orlando! |
| forrest | hahaha that's not weird at all |
| tmacf13 | haha creepy |
| dazman32 | Maybe me rubbing his feet and telling him how well he played after every game made him uncomfortable or something |
| vt | I dunno...but he did try to escape from you once before. |
| dazman32 | Lol, did get a laugh out of the front page. Am i supposed to be Nelly in that picture? |
| dazman32 | Now you have my 2 favorite players. Wanna swap rosters? |
| tmacf13 | He will start for me when healthy |
| dazman32 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| magritte | Hand me the trophy now - the difference-maker has landed!!!! |
| darko | Damn, GM points steal another SF from me. -_- |
| pennywise | dunleavy isn't as strong defensively, but he has more upside. Battier is past his prime, but dunleavy looks like hes close to hitting his stride as a scorer |
| daved | Unfortuantely he and Battier fell on the same day - the system we have forces you to pick one or the other if you don't have space for both - I went for Battier cos I thought he suited my team better ... missed out - probably would have missed both |
| pennywise | I bid on him, but it was a matter of crappy record last season...Geez, good thing Phoenix got their administrative heads out their arses and hired me!!! |
| vt | yeah i think a lot of people were scared off by his injury history. good pickup, when he gets right. |
| forrest | Thanks! |
| pennywise | nice pickup...I think hes a solid option when healthy |
| magritte | I thought the Carter deal was a big mistake. However, after making that deal, Battier makes a lot of sense, since he really doesn't have a SF of starting caliber. He currently has Jamison at SF, which won't work, so I think this was smart. |
| WALLrus | well, with my other bids i was biding between 15 and 20 on players with a similar number of bids, i felt like it was better 2 bid more so they wouldn't go 2 waist, plus i think shakes contract is a good price and length for what I'm trying 2 do |
| greenmig | Geez fair suck of the sav , at least the bloke is having a crack....better than an inactive or no gm...good on ya GS top work !! |
| nick | I remember when i was a new gm, during FA you see everybody signing FA's and it makes you want to get involved and pick up a player too. I sense that's the case here. |
| dazman32 | Compiling assets to exchange for picks later? that was my reasoning for getting brand |
| vt | I mean he traded away Vince Carter b.c he was old and the team was rebuilding but then jettisons Beasley for Jamison and pays 28 pts for Battier? He's just making moves with no rhyme or reason now. |
| vt | This makes no sense whatsoever. |
| leeroy | Not my idea of a good way for a rebuilding team to spend 28 points..... At least he's good on 2k ..trade bait later on maybe? |
| dazman32 | Its ironic, i was trying to get Golden State to take on Childress so i could bid on Battier, instead he bids on him and wins. I was thinking of bidding 15-20 if i had the space for what its worth. |
| forrest | wow 28 gm points for Shane Battier |
| darko | Wow i would have had Battier and Dunleavy if not for GM points. :( |
| darko | What happened? He signed Petro and waived AJ Price. But now price is back on his team? Was someone else waived? |
| darko | He signed for a ring! Cavs in 2012! |
| nick | It's cos you only had 1 better player. So technically Tmac signed with cavs for playing time. |
| alejandro | WTF!? I almost didnt bid on him |
| Mavs4Life | I hope he didn't sell his house in HOU lol |
| houndy | lol, he took his tour through Texas |
| vt | Lol- Fisher goes from DAL to SA to HOU. The stars at night... |
| Mavs4Life | I hope he didn't sell his house in HOU lol |
| houndy | lol, he took his tour through Texas |
| vt | Lol- Fisher goes from DAL to SA to HOU. The stars at night... |
| magritte | I like the blame!!!! Haha - when I said he was a sleeper, I meant that he was worth bidding on, not actually putting GM points on - Alonzo Gee might get 80 GM points at this rate! |
| houndy | lololol |
| nick | Not blaming you. I just wonder if it had an affect?? |
| vt | Don't blame us! And yeah- 25 GM pts for this guy is obscene. |
| dazman32 | Is the number 25 jersey free at Boston? |
| nick | Wow, overrated? The dude plays a couple of decent games in the NBA and he gets 25 GM pts thrown at him. I wonder if he would've gotten that if the radio boys didn't talk about him...? |
| greenmig | The rich get richer, the poor get the picture.... |
| daved | i'm just glad I didn't bother trying to get him in the end and waste GM pts on him ... chris wilcox is where its at man!!! |
| dunadan | jamal is likely to be a one year rental. even if he wants to come back, denver most likely wont be able to afford him, since he should be commanding more then the mle next year. |
| leeroy | yeah tough break Dare.... probably need to heed VT's advice at this point and try make some 2 or 3 for 1 deals to make sure you hit that 13 player mark |
| dare | I need to be alone |
| nick | I DID throw 25 gm pts at crawf... |
| leeroy | I went 35 and 47 and still cant get anywhere near a FA signing... |
| nick | Energy grows where energy flows dave d! Although we should def take win% out of the equation for under 24's next season. |
| vt | Yeah, but HOU had the worst NLL record in the history of the league, which makes it even harder. |
| daved | FA is always a bitch ... bad teams always struggle to get anyone |
| nick | Chuffed! I got my guy. Well that's me out for the FA period. Peace out! |
| vt | HOU- your record was really bad last season...you are probably better off trading this year than getting guys via free agency. But this makes sense- think of a guy like Jamal Crawford...would he want to play for a playoff-caliber team or a rebuilding team? I suggest trading your vets (ie Marion) and start rebuilding. |
| dare | I don't know what to say... |
| dunadan | but patterson will have moved on by then for sure :) |
| nick | I like the deal for San Antonio... Patterson has the most upside of the players in the deal, and should be a solid starter some day. |
| leeroy | Not trying to trade him... Trying to give him away |
| Mavs4Life | Don't trade him let him play for all 3 Texas teams lol |
| leeroy | I forgot to mention best offer gets fisher and I mean ANY offer |
| magritte | I think Was wins this one. Harrington is best player in the deal! |
| badwolf | was is welcome to sell him back to me :D |
| badwolf | well, i had 20 players and would be over the tax and SA wanted him out of maggette/miller/harrington. he's 14ppg this year on 55% at 6-7M, not bad |
| vt | i would think harrington's deal is bad, mil. you were eager to move it. |
| badwolf | harrington is playing great in NBA now, he's far from a bad contract, sessions is an upgrade over Fisher. If Was is in a win now mode, then it's a solid deal for them, but they really shouldn't be with all the superstrong teams in the east. Solid deal for a rebuilding SA, PP is a bit down this year, but has a lot of potential |
| leeroy | Fisher is available :D |
| vt | I do think SA should shop Fisher though.... |
| vt | Interesting deal.....DAL is the clear winner by getting an upgrade at PG and not giving up much. SA gets Harrington's horrible contract off his books, get a decent backup PG and a young guy for it. Not sure what WAS is doing since they already have Blatche, but Harrington is still a good player....just a terrible contract. |
| dunadan | but patterson will have moved on by then for sure :) |
| nick | I like the deal for San Antonio... Patterson has the most upside of the players in the deal, and should be a solid starter some day. |
| leeroy | Not trying to trade him... Trying to give him away |
| Mavs4Life | Don't trade him let him play for all 3 Texas teams lol |
| leeroy | I forgot to mention best offer gets fisher and I mean ANY offer |
| magritte | I think Was wins this one. Harrington is best player in the deal! |
| badwolf | was is welcome to sell him back to me :D |
| badwolf | well, i had 20 players and would be over the tax and SA wanted him out of maggette/miller/harrington. he's 14ppg this year on 55% at 6-7M, not bad |
| vt | i would think harrington's deal is bad, mil. you were eager to move it. |
| badwolf | harrington is playing great in NBA now, he's far from a bad contract, sessions is an upgrade over Fisher. If Was is in a win now mode, then it's a solid deal for them, but they really shouldn't be with all the superstrong teams in the east. Solid deal for a rebuilding SA, PP is a bit down this year, but has a lot of potential |
| leeroy | Fisher is available :D |
| vt | I do think SA should shop Fisher though.... |
| vt | Interesting deal.....DAL is the clear winner by getting an upgrade at PG and not giving up much. SA gets Harrington's horrible contract off his books, get a decent backup PG and a young guy for it. Not sure what WAS is doing since they already have Blatche, but Harrington is still a good player....just a terrible contract. |
| dunadan | but patterson will have moved on by then for sure :) |
| nick | I like the deal for San Antonio... Patterson has the most upside of the players in the deal, and should be a solid starter some day. |
| leeroy | Not trying to trade him... Trying to give him away |
| Mavs4Life | Don't trade him let him play for all 3 Texas teams lol |
| leeroy | I forgot to mention best offer gets fisher and I mean ANY offer |
| magritte | I think Was wins this one. Harrington is best player in the deal! |
| badwolf | was is welcome to sell him back to me :D |
| badwolf | well, i had 20 players and would be over the tax and SA wanted him out of maggette/miller/harrington. he's 14ppg this year on 55% at 6-7M, not bad |
| vt | i would think harrington's deal is bad, mil. you were eager to move it. |
| badwolf | harrington is playing great in NBA now, he's far from a bad contract, sessions is an upgrade over Fisher. If Was is in a win now mode, then it's a solid deal for them, but they really shouldn't be with all the superstrong teams in the east. Solid deal for a rebuilding SA, PP is a bit down this year, but has a lot of potential |
| leeroy | Fisher is available :D |
| vt | I do think SA should shop Fisher though.... |
| vt | Interesting deal.....DAL is the clear winner by getting an upgrade at PG and not giving up much. SA gets Harrington's horrible contract off his books, get a decent backup PG and a young guy for it. Not sure what WAS is doing since they already have Blatche, but Harrington is still a good player....just a terrible contract. |
| dazman32 | If I had space I'd sign him straight away, then trade him to fill my need |
| vt | Yeah, someone needs to sign Dre! |
| darko | I dont need a PG, i need a SF. Garcia has solid shooting and defensive ratings. Averaged 16 ppg last year as a starter, and he seems to be getting minutes in the NBA now. I also had 15 mil, and amnesty left so i can take a risk this season. |
| dazman32 | Garcia ahead of Andre Miller? |
| greenmig | And the evil empire strikes again.... |
| badwolf | haha, let's test this theory :D |
| dazman32 | Remember people, whatever MIL offers you for your 1st round pick, i will beat it ;) |
| badwolf | i was kinda surprised how quickly this was over |
| dazman32 | Damn should have known, I would have gone to 25 |
| badwolf | well, mavs4live has 80 gm points, time to put that to work |
| badwolf | well, mavs4live has 80 gm points, time to put that to work |
| houndy | He's worth 60, not 20 ;0 |
| badwolf | steam is not worth 20 points... |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah I heard, but I'm 100 % sure he's going after Steam with those points lol |
| badwolf | it's 1st round pick deal |
| Mavs4Life | 22, I'll take 25, 25 GM points for Greg Stiensma! lol |
| leeroy | Sounds like mil will be busting some knee caps later on when payment tie comes |
| greenmig | And the evil empire strikes again.... |
| badwolf | haha, let's test this theory :D |
| dazman32 | Remember people, whatever MIL offers you for your 1st round pick, i will beat it ;) |
| badwolf | i was kinda surprised how quickly this was over |
| dazman32 | Damn should have known, I would have gone to 25 |
| badwolf | well, mavs4live has 80 gm points, time to put that to work |
| badwolf | well, mavs4live has 80 gm points, time to put that to work |
| houndy | He's worth 60, not 20 ;0 |
| badwolf | steam is not worth 20 points... |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah I heard, but I'm 100 % sure he's going after Steam with those points lol |
| badwolf | it's 1st round pick deal |
| Mavs4Life | 22, I'll take 25, 25 GM points for Greg Stiensma! lol |
| leeroy | Sounds like mil will be busting some knee caps later on when payment tie comes |
| daved | miller should definitely be signed by someone if they need a PG - he can contribute in the NLL and is only 1yr .... signing FAs is hard, you need to get something |
| greenmig | guys with heaps of cash should be picking up players like miller and hayes imo..i mean why have cap space? its there to be used. look at the top teams they all have the highest payrolls. u need talent to win even if its expensive. |
| pennywise | have you seen what redick has done over the past year or so...I think this is a good role player for me. I'm not gonna spend GM points for a 1 year rental in Crawford, I'll have Redick for 2 at least. |
| Mavs4Life | Same here |
| dazman32 | I cant believe Andre Miller and Chuck Hayes haven't been signed yet. |
| leeroy | That's 3 more than last season |
| darko | Cant believe only 3 teams tried to sign redick. |
| Mavs4Life | Now I just feel he went to Cleveland to try and help them get the neccesary players lol |
| greenmig | ohyer I just found this... For each player less than 13 on the team's roster at the end of a week (active & IR): -2 So thats 12pts per week as he currently stands. And he has 10gm pts total. so can you go into minus? |
| greenmig | dont you need to have 13 players on your roster minimum? |
| leeroy | Could be worse dazman.... You could have Gary Neal on him. |
| dazman32 | Oh man, Lebron at SG is going to be a horrible assignment for Kemba if he stays there. |
| magritte | Play LeBron at SG, pick up some min guys, play your starters 40 minutes each and pray for no injuries and you are good to go!!! |
| vt | Heh- now you got two SFs and no bench. My crystal ball says.....5th seed, 2nd round exit. IF everyone remains healthy. |
| alejandro | I swear I was going to be a good boy this year, listen to the radio boyz and spend my points/cap beefing up the bench, but I talked myself into giving the big names/no bench approach one more shot. |
| vt | I was talking about last yr....right now he's got only two guys. The only way I see this team being successful is moving Jefferson for 2-3 players. He won't get enough to win from the FA wire. |
| darko | Ill help his depth by trading a few guys for lebron. |
| smokey | true VT, makes it hard to fill out the roster and get some good depth! although I have Danny Green now from the Parker Deal.. and also isn't Jeremy Lin a FA? |
| Mavs4Life | Hey who knows, the RL 07'S Cavs were sorta worse, they were the NLL Wizards of the NBA. The NLL Cas could still do something. |
| vt | Why CLE will never win it: puts too much money into 3 or 4 starters and then relies on a bench of guys like Danny Green and Jeremy Lin. Only has 7 players now and is only $2mil below the salary cap. |
| vt | And to celebrate his signing with MIL, Brandan Wright goes 1-6 tonight in the NBA. |
| daved | everyone loves cheap |
| nick | Wright has been the most sought after FA so far lol |
| Mavs4Life | There goes Cole Aldrich lol |
| darko | Oh my god we signed someone! |
| nick | I don't see how it's a bad deal for HOU? Davis stinks. He got 15 GM pts for him. |
| smokey | Completely forgot about Stuckey! |
| houndy | what on earth...? |
| vt | Yeah- PHO bid a lot of pts on West...now he has to be careful who else he spends them on. |
| dazman32 | Ah Stuckey, forgot about him. Still, some high risk moves being made by some gm's to land these free agents, a few are going to be disappointed. |
| vt | He has the rights to Stuckey. |
| smokey | extra GM points are always good when you are a big player in the FA Market, however this leaves HOU without a PG, and with only a few good PG's that can start in the FA market, a little bit of a head scratcher for me! |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah looking at the salaries again, he barely loses anything. New decision: Unless Houston makes some mircale, no matter how you hate Davis in rteal life, he's good in 2K. Gonna have to see what happens as the season progresses, but bad on dare for now. |
| dazman32 | Certainly a head scratcher |
| Mavs4Life | Bad trade when you look at it, but I guess Houston wants a few more guys in FA. If not, HOU is gonna be horrible, and either way NJ has high chances of winning the championship. Go Proid! |
| nick | I don't see how it's a bad deal for HOU? Davis stinks. He got 15 GM pts for him. |
| smokey | Completely forgot about Stuckey! |
| houndy | what on earth...? |
| vt | Yeah- PHO bid a lot of pts on West...now he has to be careful who else he spends them on. |
| dazman32 | Ah Stuckey, forgot about him. Still, some high risk moves being made by some gm's to land these free agents, a few are going to be disappointed. |
| vt | He has the rights to Stuckey. |
| smokey | extra GM points are always good when you are a big player in the FA Market, however this leaves HOU without a PG, and with only a few good PG's that can start in the FA market, a little bit of a head scratcher for me! |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah looking at the salaries again, he barely loses anything. New decision: Unless Houston makes some mircale, no matter how you hate Davis in rteal life, he's good in 2K. Gonna have to see what happens as the season progresses, but bad on dare for now. |
| dazman32 | Certainly a head scratcher |
| Mavs4Life | Bad trade when you look at it, but I guess Houston wants a few more guys in FA. If not, HOU is gonna be horrible, and either way NJ has high chances of winning the championship. Go Proid! |
| houndy | it paid off |
| dazman32 | Another for the Caron Butler sweepstakes. Risky move if he doesn't sign. |
| vt | Reminder: "You will not be permitted to complete any transaction that costs GM points if you do not have enough to cover it. This includes signing FA agents, re-trading players and re-signing your own players." |
| javijoe | Thanx guys. Dunno if I dot get the clout GM points get around here but I only ever use them for trades occasionally. They never had any bearing for me in any other way. Do you realize that in the years I've been in this league this is the FIRST time I've used Gm points consciously to win a bid??? Lol. So yuh my 5 left will be quite fine! Lol. Actually, anyone need any? Cos I have 4 too many! Lol. Good luck this season my friends!!!!! |
| greenmig | Congrats Minny! |
| nick | Wow 35 GM pts? Min deserved him. Congrats. I feel sorry for HOU now though. No players seem to want to sign with losing teams unless you spend big GM pts (and if there's playing opportunity and a bit of luck), but now HOU is -20. |
| darko | looks like ill have to sign lewis just to get over 43 mil and avoid gm point penalties. -_- |
| dazman32 | The decision didn't disappoint, some hard luck stories. Surprised Washington didn't bid though. |
| vt | Big gamble and now he's down to 5 GM pts |
| pennywise | arrggghhh....so close!!! |
| Mavs4Life | Least expected choice for me. |
| dazman32 | Yeah thats it, although i thought Summers would count as a PF as well, guess not. |
| darko | well you have seven players that arent even ranked, that helps. |
| dazman32 | Cant believe i keep winning these guys, although im still adamant i wouldn't have had a chance for the big name players. |
| WALLrus | thanks badwolf, i feel like with that setup villanueva and mike miller could b good additional players 2 my young cast if they can stay healthy, plus i feel singleton brings a lot more 2 the defensive side of the ball than parsons |
| badwolf | some questionable trades with the dirsction he's taking, but i like his setup - valanciunas, williams, singleton, his high loto pick, bostons pick. there are a few misses in there to, beasley, vilanueva trades. |
| vt | At this point, I think GS is trading for the sake of trading. It's like giving a little kid a wad of cash and telling him to plan for the future.....heh |
| tmacf13 | Singleton has been the lone bright spot for Washington |
| pennywise | actually Parsons has been killing it in Houston...I give Boston the nod on this one so far. |
| nick | Blockbuster!!! |
| dunadan | both players have shrunk an inch when they were measured by their new teams |
| WALLrus | thanks badwolf, i feel like with that setup villanueva and mike miller could b good additional players 2 my young cast if they can stay healthy, plus i feel singleton brings a lot more 2 the defensive side of the ball than parsons |
| badwolf | some questionable trades with the dirsction he's taking, but i like his setup - valanciunas, williams, singleton, his high loto pick, bostons pick. there are a few misses in there to, beasley, vilanueva trades. |
| vt | At this point, I think GS is trading for the sake of trading. It's like giving a little kid a wad of cash and telling him to plan for the future.....heh |
| tmacf13 | Singleton has been the lone bright spot for Washington |
| pennywise | actually Parsons has been killing it in Houston...I give Boston the nod on this one so far. |
| nick | Blockbuster!!! |
| dunadan | both players have shrunk an inch when they were measured by their new teams |
| daved | the point in time that the MLE is calculated was explained in the forum - i remember cos I was the one who asked, and proid explained it. http://www.nbaliveleague.com/forum/threads.php?boardId=1&threadId=2167 ... but I still think it is flawed to apply the same thing to NLL for reasons I said earlier |
| badwolf | the thing to take for the future - we have to implement cap holds, at least in some form. Is the rfa loophole closed? Whwn someone released all his players into FA, then had enormous cap space and signed a few of the top free agents and then signed his own fee agents way over cap (and LT imsmr). that isn't possible in nba and shouldnt be possible in nll. Maybe it would be best to just give full mle to all teams and mini mle to those over lt? |
| badwolf | the thing to take for the future - we have to implement cap holds, at least in some form. Is the rfa loophole closed? Whwn someone released all his players into FA, then had enormous cap space and signed a few of the top free agents and then signed his own fee agents way over cap (and LT imsmr). that isn't possible in nba and shouldnt be possible in nll. Maybe it would be best to just give full mle to all teams and mini mle to those over lt? |
| magritte | I was actually $4000 under the cap - son of a bitch!!!!!! Haha, surprising Dert didn't come to my defense....oh that's right, I was probably making one of those 'shady' deals, haha! |
| vt | And yes CLE- I was between the cap and salary cap before we started, which is why I get the $5mil. I think boyd was like $500k below the salary cap...which is why he got the $2.5mi. Anyway, barring an emergency, I have no plans no to use that $5mil. |
| vt | Yes, CLE is 100%. We assign these values BEFORE THE RE-SIGNING STARTS now. So, for example, if I am over the lux next summer right before we start, I will only get the $3mil MLE. |
| dert | oh yeah, youre right alejandro. ill shut up now. |
| alejandro | So I think that teams currently in the lux tax and in possession of the full MLE were not over the lux tax when the MLE was assigned, since we already have the mini-mle rule in place. |
| alejandro | No conspiracy theory needed, since our MLEs are assigned before even resigning our own players and we have no capholds (unlike the NBA) those teams that got the full MLE assigned to them before they resigned some players of their own and went over the threshold and into the lux tax. Anyway, I know not everyone sees it this way, but it seems like such a minor issue to me. |
| dert | http://oi44.tinypic.com/2jfac6h.jpg let me make another prediction... "oh its just an error on the site that somehow has gone unnoticed for a couple of weeks despite someone bringing up the issue more than once." do you understand why i am not afraid to use terms like "bullshit", "turd" and "rule bending" now? |
| vt | Alejandro- "Mid-Level-Exception: Your MLE will depend on your salary situation before the re-signing period begins. If you are under the cap, you will have a $2.5 million MLE to use. If you are between the salary cap and the lux cap, you will have a $5 million MLE. If you are over the luxury cap, you get a $3 million MLE." |
| alejandro | I think under the new NBA CBA, teams over the luxury tax only get the Mini-MLE, maybe the league should consider that. Another issue is cap holds, since we don´t have them, it artificially raises the amount of money every team in the NLL can spend vs the NBA, with extra benefits for those team way over the salary cap. I personally dont think these are huge issues at all, just something to keep in mind. |
| dazman32 | Yeah, saying he is bending the rules is out of line, however the mle discussion is interesting, it does irk me that I have less mle than over the cap teams, but I guess if it's good enough for the NBA then I'm satisfied |
| proid | I don't really see how its bending the rules. This trade was executed using Phi's available TPE (Traded Player Exception) which doesn't have anything to do with a Teams MLE status. Several teams have used their TPE's to acquire players and there hasn't been so much angst about them. With this deal having been reviewed and approved by 3 GM's. Dert, I am not sure why you are having an issue with this trade when you declined to be on the review board. Why come out here and complain now? |
| darko | thats a good point daved. |
| daved | the lux tax penalties just aren't enough in NLL cos its not real ..... and following hte NBA with different MLEs is flawed too becasue the team offering the MLE in the NBA can influence the salary if the player is open to it - but the salaries are fixed in NLL so getting handed a lower MLE rules out any chance of a whole bracket of players - then the teams with the higher MLEs will have another advantage when it comes time for the rashard lewis' etc to drop their salaries |
| greenmig | at $4M very viable! |
| pennywise | oh, and my 2 cents, Vinsanity is still a viable option, should be for at least 2 years. No guarantee you get anything great in the draft....I see lots of owners with rights to players from the 00's...Or you could get the next Greg Oden....82 games played in 4 seasons. He's finally officially played a full season, too bad he's out for this year, and there is no guarantee he will come back next year either. |
| pennywise | I love all the drama!!! and this is before any of the RFA's bidding has finished too:) |
| vt | Pardon....*patterning it after the NBA. |
| vt | Wow, Nostrodamus...that's more than you've written in the last what? Three years combined? I wouldn't call it bending the rules at all. It's playing within the rules we've established aka the more active you are and the more win, the more GM pts you accrue and spend. You can blame us all you want for the amount of money teams get, but we are patterning it after the NLL. And lux tax teams don't get $5mil. They get $3mil. And...oh yes...I still have my full MLE. Sounds like sour grapes to me, bub. |
| magritte | Wow - it's just nice having Dert's venom sprayed at someone else for a change! |
| daved | re: lux tax .... it really doesn't have that much effect in this league cos it isn't real money - if it was monopoly money you could earn each time you pass go in the NBA it'd have less effect too |
| dert | vt, I dont need you to tell me how you are bending the rules because I actually kinda predicted this a couple of weeks ago in the forum. now that there is proof that lux tax teams shouldnt fear the lux tax because they can write their way out, lets focus on why lux tax teams deserve a 5 mil MLE instead of a 2.5 MLE. i mean, lux tax teams already have a high payroll, which probably means they have some talent. so why give them and advantage? thats just the rich getting richer. or should i say the "active gm" getting more "active"? |
| sheed36 | GSW win in long term .. Sixers win for this season.. |
| nick | yep good deal for both teams |
| greenmig | vince is a monster in 2k12 |
| dazman32 | I like this deal for both teams, although Vince is over the hill, he is unreal in 2k12. |
| vt | Well, Dert....since I am "active GM" that means i get GM points. This means I can cover the luxury tax. |
| WALLrus | i needed a big man, and villa will b a good player 4 a couple more years |
| darko | Villa is only 27. Is this too old to rebuild with? Because he traded a 23 year old beasley for 26 year old Fernandez and Gibson. Surely 1 year doesnt make that much of a difference. |
| houndy | Leeroy has a point, i wouldn't have taken on Villa's contract if im rebuilding |
| dert | gee golly how beautifully the lux tax is working. |
| badwolf | this looks good for both teams |
| vt | Agree with Leeroy. |
| leeroy | Don't understand this trade when looking at all the gsw trades so far... Trading away Henry for miller, taking on villanueva's contract. These don't look like rebuilding moves to me. In isolation this trade is good for gsw but in light of all the other moves I don't know |
| vt | Then it sounds like a good deal for us both, since I am not rebuilding. |
| WALLrus | thanks, vince has 1 good season left in him and I'm rebuilding |
| darko | Good deal for Gstate. Vince is past his prime. |
| daved | the point in time that the MLE is calculated was explained in the forum - i remember cos I was the one who asked, and proid explained it. http://www.nbaliveleague.com/forum/threads.php?boardId=1&threadId=2167 ... but I still think it is flawed to apply the same thing to NLL for reasons I said earlier |
| badwolf | the thing to take for the future - we have to implement cap holds, at least in some form. Is the rfa loophole closed? Whwn someone released all his players into FA, then had enormous cap space and signed a few of the top free agents and then signed his own fee agents way over cap (and LT imsmr). that isn't possible in nba and shouldnt be possible in nll. Maybe it would be best to just give full mle to all teams and mini mle to those over lt? |
| badwolf | the thing to take for the future - we have to implement cap holds, at least in some form. Is the rfa loophole closed? Whwn someone released all his players into FA, then had enormous cap space and signed a few of the top free agents and then signed his own fee agents way over cap (and LT imsmr). that isn't possible in nba and shouldnt be possible in nll. Maybe it would be best to just give full mle to all teams and mini mle to those over lt? |
| magritte | I was actually $4000 under the cap - son of a bitch!!!!!! Haha, surprising Dert didn't come to my defense....oh that's right, I was probably making one of those 'shady' deals, haha! |
| vt | And yes CLE- I was between the cap and salary cap before we started, which is why I get the $5mil. I think boyd was like $500k below the salary cap...which is why he got the $2.5mi. Anyway, barring an emergency, I have no plans no to use that $5mil. |
| vt | Yes, CLE is 100%. We assign these values BEFORE THE RE-SIGNING STARTS now. So, for example, if I am over the lux next summer right before we start, I will only get the $3mil MLE. |
| dert | oh yeah, youre right alejandro. ill shut up now. |
| alejandro | So I think that teams currently in the lux tax and in possession of the full MLE were not over the lux tax when the MLE was assigned, since we already have the mini-mle rule in place. |
| alejandro | No conspiracy theory needed, since our MLEs are assigned before even resigning our own players and we have no capholds (unlike the NBA) those teams that got the full MLE assigned to them before they resigned some players of their own and went over the threshold and into the lux tax. Anyway, I know not everyone sees it this way, but it seems like such a minor issue to me. |
| dert | http://oi44.tinypic.com/2jfac6h.jpg let me make another prediction... "oh its just an error on the site that somehow has gone unnoticed for a couple of weeks despite someone bringing up the issue more than once." do you understand why i am not afraid to use terms like "bullshit", "turd" and "rule bending" now? |
| vt | Alejandro- "Mid-Level-Exception: Your MLE will depend on your salary situation before the re-signing period begins. If you are under the cap, you will have a $2.5 million MLE to use. If you are between the salary cap and the lux cap, you will have a $5 million MLE. If you are over the luxury cap, you get a $3 million MLE." |
| alejandro | I think under the new NBA CBA, teams over the luxury tax only get the Mini-MLE, maybe the league should consider that. Another issue is cap holds, since we don´t have them, it artificially raises the amount of money every team in the NLL can spend vs the NBA, with extra benefits for those team way over the salary cap. I personally dont think these are huge issues at all, just something to keep in mind. |
| dazman32 | Yeah, saying he is bending the rules is out of line, however the mle discussion is interesting, it does irk me that I have less mle than over the cap teams, but I guess if it's good enough for the NBA then I'm satisfied |
| proid | I don't really see how its bending the rules. This trade was executed using Phi's available TPE (Traded Player Exception) which doesn't have anything to do with a Teams MLE status. Several teams have used their TPE's to acquire players and there hasn't been so much angst about them. With this deal having been reviewed and approved by 3 GM's. Dert, I am not sure why you are having an issue with this trade when you declined to be on the review board. Why come out here and complain now? |
| darko | thats a good point daved. |
| daved | the lux tax penalties just aren't enough in NLL cos its not real ..... and following hte NBA with different MLEs is flawed too becasue the team offering the MLE in the NBA can influence the salary if the player is open to it - but the salaries are fixed in NLL so getting handed a lower MLE rules out any chance of a whole bracket of players - then the teams with the higher MLEs will have another advantage when it comes time for the rashard lewis' etc to drop their salaries |
| greenmig | at $4M very viable! |
| pennywise | oh, and my 2 cents, Vinsanity is still a viable option, should be for at least 2 years. No guarantee you get anything great in the draft....I see lots of owners with rights to players from the 00's...Or you could get the next Greg Oden....82 games played in 4 seasons. He's finally officially played a full season, too bad he's out for this year, and there is no guarantee he will come back next year either. |
| pennywise | I love all the drama!!! and this is before any of the RFA's bidding has finished too:) |
| vt | Pardon....*patterning it after the NBA. |
| vt | Wow, Nostrodamus...that's more than you've written in the last what? Three years combined? I wouldn't call it bending the rules at all. It's playing within the rules we've established aka the more active you are and the more win, the more GM pts you accrue and spend. You can blame us all you want for the amount of money teams get, but we are patterning it after the NLL. And lux tax teams don't get $5mil. They get $3mil. And...oh yes...I still have my full MLE. Sounds like sour grapes to me, bub. |
| magritte | Wow - it's just nice having Dert's venom sprayed at someone else for a change! |
| daved | re: lux tax .... it really doesn't have that much effect in this league cos it isn't real money - if it was monopoly money you could earn each time you pass go in the NBA it'd have less effect too |
| dert | vt, I dont need you to tell me how you are bending the rules because I actually kinda predicted this a couple of weeks ago in the forum. now that there is proof that lux tax teams shouldnt fear the lux tax because they can write their way out, lets focus on why lux tax teams deserve a 5 mil MLE instead of a 2.5 MLE. i mean, lux tax teams already have a high payroll, which probably means they have some talent. so why give them and advantage? thats just the rich getting richer. or should i say the "active gm" getting more "active"? |
| sheed36 | GSW win in long term .. Sixers win for this season.. |
| nick | yep good deal for both teams |
| greenmig | vince is a monster in 2k12 |
| dazman32 | I like this deal for both teams, although Vince is over the hill, he is unreal in 2k12. |
| vt | Well, Dert....since I am "active GM" that means i get GM points. This means I can cover the luxury tax. |
| WALLrus | i needed a big man, and villa will b a good player 4 a couple more years |
| darko | Villa is only 27. Is this too old to rebuild with? Because he traded a 23 year old beasley for 26 year old Fernandez and Gibson. Surely 1 year doesnt make that much of a difference. |
| houndy | Leeroy has a point, i wouldn't have taken on Villa's contract if im rebuilding |
| dert | gee golly how beautifully the lux tax is working. |
| badwolf | this looks good for both teams |
| vt | Agree with Leeroy. |
| leeroy | Don't understand this trade when looking at all the gsw trades so far... Trading away Henry for miller, taking on villanueva's contract. These don't look like rebuilding moves to me. In isolation this trade is good for gsw but in light of all the other moves I don't know |
| vt | Then it sounds like a good deal for us both, since I am not rebuilding. |
| WALLrus | thanks, vince has 1 good season left in him and I'm rebuilding |
| darko | Good deal for Gstate. Vince is past his prime. |
| vt | "Once a bid is processed, the original has 72hrs to claim this player. During this period, the bidding team will have the money allocated to that player locked. If the free agency period ends and a restricted player is still in the pool, his old team will then have the option whether or not to claim him. If a restricted free agent chooses to return to his former team and he is not signed, he automatically becomes a non-restricted FA. The team who wins a restricted FA bid gets his GM pts back if the player is claimed by his old team. Losing bids do not get their points back." |
| greenmig | if I pay him $10M... |
| royal | so LAL will just get him back, without spending any points? |
| greenmig | dont worry mate, he is already going to get ALOT more than I would like to pay him by signing that $10M offer sheet with DET lol....so we are replicating the owners pain ;) |
| dazman32 | True, however in the NBA the player ends up with a higher salary than what they would normally get because of a rival team trying to make the owner not match, here that's not possible, so the points I guess would try and relicate the matching part |
| greenmig | dazman, I can understand why you would want to 'liven' it up a bit.... but think about it, why would I need to match or outbid his gm pts? remember, im not bidding on him, (ie: gm pts etc), he is under a RESTRICTED contract to me - he is MY player, I own him as per the NLL, (same in the NBA) for the next 72hrs until I decide what to do. to keep him i must match a $$ contract within this time - nothing to do with the bidding process, (including gm pts, team record, # better players, random factor etc). ps: the fact that the winning bidder gets his gm pts back if I match makes gm pts a moot point. pps: any team which is still interested in DeAndre send a msg to my inbox as I am considering a S&T deal. cheers, greenmig |
| dazman32 | Having to match gm points would liven it up |
| daved | LA don't need gm pts - they just decide if they want him or not .... RFAs aren't very exciting in NLL, especially if they have 2+ bird years, it just ends up a question of whether the player is good enough or not cos the salaries are fixed ..... don't know of any way to liven it up a bit tho |
| darko | detroit will get them back if lal matches, no idea about if he has to put up 20 gm points to match. i dont really remember any rule like that before, but then again ive never really had a RFA. |
| dazman32 | I think there's no doubt they will resign, just trying to remember whether they need to match the gm points, and also what will happen to Detroit's 20, i assume they are gone. |
| pennywise | lol....the real question is will LA resign? |
| dazman32 | 20 gm points, refresh my memory, do LA need to spend 20 gm points to match the offer? |
| dunadan | the guy might be a rookie, but he will turn 29 later this month. he's the second oldest player on my team, lol |
| leeroy | must be the Knicks new starting PG seeing they have 0 better players ;) |
| pennywise | Hes a good young player for a great price...he's getting PT here and there.... |
| dazman32 | Wow, didn't expect this. |
| WALLrus | i was looking for a big who could play big minutes, and i feel Ilyasova is very over rated and i just didn't c gibson playing a big role this year, so i traded to players i was looking to trade 4 a big who is not a top tier big but a 2nd tier big |
| vt | Yeah, i definitely think WAS gets the better end of the deal here. Both players are playing better in the NBA than Charlie V. But if ATL could move Gooden, I am sure someone will take on V at some point if he gets stuck. |
| dunadan | not sure what GS is doing as they keep trading away players. charlie always was a much better NLL than NBA player, but still. and he's been injured most of the time so far this year. |
| WALLrus | i was looking for a big who could play big minutes, and i feel Ilyasova is very over rated and i just didn't c gibson playing a big role this year, so i traded to players i was looking to trade 4 a big who is not a top tier big but a 2nd tier big |
| vt | Yeah, i definitely think WAS gets the better end of the deal here. Both players are playing better in the NBA than Charlie V. But if ATL could move Gooden, I am sure someone will take on V at some point if he gets stuck. |
| dunadan | not sure what GS is doing as they keep trading away players. charlie always was a much better NLL than NBA player, but still. and he's been injured most of the time so far this year. |
| nick | Garcia definitely has fallen out of favour with the kings due to their glut at the wing. |
| pennywise | he isn't getting lots of minutes this year for Sac...I think mostly because they are running with Jimmer, Thomas and evans in a smaller 3 guard set with 2 bigs |
| greenmig | He was last years finals mvp.....wasn't he? |
| daved | alonzo gee rocks man! |
| houndy | Alonzo Gee ie better for 5 mill less.. |
| juvenile404 | At the time I amnestied Miller so I wouldn't lost GM points going over the lux to re-sign Durant and my other players. I couldn't afford to wait to see if someone wanted to buy Miller for the same amount of points I would have lost to re0sign my guys. |
| darko | like his ticker says, he amnesty garcia to have enough cap to go after david west. smart move if it pays off. |
| vt | Of the three amnesties so far (Shard- ORL, Brad Miller- TOR and Garcia- ATL) only the shard one really made sense. Someone would have bought Miller for Gm pts, prolly and Garcia isn't bad...he could totally be a decent SG off the bench. |
| daved | he's not that bad a player - just needs some minutes in the nba |
| houndy | *aren't |
| houndy | well i amnestied, im very confident in the players i have and the contracts are really bad at all |
| forrest | I think waiving him was the right move, better to save the amnesty for a bigger contract. I bet someone will pick him up FA so he comes off your books. |
| houndy | I meant to amnesty crap |
| dazman32 | Clips won his services by 0.01 from Utah. |
| greenmig | the #better player factor was also a big decider here actually, made up for his poor winning record last season compared to okc. |
| darko | Come on random factor, daddy needs a new pair of shoes! |
| vt | Yeah- The random thing is good. Prevents some of the more sly GMs from calculating how many pts they need to put down. |
| leeroy | Got him thanks to the random factor.... Nice |
| dazman32 | Darko, you are going to clean up this free agency. |
| darko | David West is washed up too, better not try to sign him. ;) |
| vt | I guess not... |
| royal | why would i want to take on washed up Butler or battier if i'm rebuilding? |
| vt | If he can pick up Caron Butler or Battier for that SF slot, his team will look pretty decent. |
| vt | Hmmm...he now has Camby at PF and Diaw at SF. I thought the Z-bo deal was meant to free up the PF slot for Diaw. Not sure if I think this current configuration is a good idea. I would move Camby to C, Diaw to PF and Vucevic to the bench perhaps.... |
| royal | Camby is an expiring contract and nothing more, plus his contract this year is a bit smaller thant turk's, which gives us that much room to work with in FA. While Turk is a pretty good player in 2k, he has a terrible contract, which doesn't help if you're trying to rebuild. Also I wanted to get Davis Bertans (or Biedrins, but NYK didn't want to give Andris up) to make Latvian connection here in Detroit. |
| greenmig | hedo is a very good player in 2K as is Biedrins - makes sense for NY. |
| vt | Knowing Tim, he has something else up his sleeve.... |
| Mavs4Life | Not a good deal for either of you really. Hedo is getting older, and you give up Camby for Biedris to start and for Detroit Camby is getting older, but they already had Anthony Randolph and Boris Diaw. |
| dazman32 | Darko, you are going to clean up this free agency. |
| darko | David West is washed up too, better not try to sign him. ;) |
| vt | I guess not... |
| royal | why would i want to take on washed up Butler or battier if i'm rebuilding? |
| vt | If he can pick up Caron Butler or Battier for that SF slot, his team will look pretty decent. |
| vt | Hmmm...he now has Camby at PF and Diaw at SF. I thought the Z-bo deal was meant to free up the PF slot for Diaw. Not sure if I think this current configuration is a good idea. I would move Camby to C, Diaw to PF and Vucevic to the bench perhaps.... |
| royal | Camby is an expiring contract and nothing more, plus his contract this year is a bit smaller thant turk's, which gives us that much room to work with in FA. While Turk is a pretty good player in 2k, he has a terrible contract, which doesn't help if you're trying to rebuild. Also I wanted to get Davis Bertans (or Biedrins, but NYK didn't want to give Andris up) to make Latvian connection here in Detroit. |
| greenmig | hedo is a very good player in 2K as is Biedrins - makes sense for NY. |
| vt | Knowing Tim, he has something else up his sleeve.... |
| Mavs4Life | Not a good deal for either of you really. Hedo is getting older, and you give up Camby for Biedris to start and for Detroit Camby is getting older, but they already had Anthony Randolph and Boris Diaw. |
| sheed36 | Boyd Quicken Loans |
| alejandro | I would pay 5 GM points for a personalized Boyd dance |
| daved | he might make you dance for it |
| magritte | Yes - simple loan sharking. If things go poorly, badwolf may break my kneecaps! |
| badwolf | dert you're reading to much into it, it's a simple loan, OKC needs some quick cash to stay liquid (he was at 0 points and could get thrown out after resigning two or three required minimum guys) and i'm not a player in FA this year.. |
| badwolf | dert you're reading to much into it, it's a simple loan, OKC needs some quick cash to stay liquid (he was at 0 points and could get thrown out after resigning two or three required minimum guys) and i'm not a player in FA this year.. |
| darko | 4 players being traded to Milwaukee from OKC! more to come later... |
| alejandro | Wait is this part of another deal? That dude retired a decade or so ago. |
| dert | I cant wait what favor the bucks get from the league |
| dert | out of all the bullshit happenings in the offseason, this may top the list. |
| dunadan | Im curious who is going to fall victim to magrittes newly acquired 12 points. Smells like 4 player gonna get retraded :) |
| sheed36 | Boyd Quicken Loans |
| alejandro | I would pay 5 GM points for a personalized Boyd dance |
| daved | he might make you dance for it |
| magritte | Yes - simple loan sharking. If things go poorly, badwolf may break my kneecaps! |
| badwolf | dert you're reading to much into it, it's a simple loan, OKC needs some quick cash to stay liquid (he was at 0 points and could get thrown out after resigning two or three required minimum guys) and i'm not a player in FA this year.. |
| badwolf | dert you're reading to much into it, it's a simple loan, OKC needs some quick cash to stay liquid (he was at 0 points and could get thrown out after resigning two or three required minimum guys) and i'm not a player in FA this year.. |
| darko | 4 players being traded to Milwaukee from OKC! more to come later... |
| alejandro | Wait is this part of another deal? That dude retired a decade or so ago. |
| dert | I cant wait what favor the bucks get from the league |
| dert | out of all the bullshit happenings in the offseason, this may top the list. |
| dunadan | Im curious who is going to fall victim to magrittes newly acquired 12 points. Smells like 4 player gonna get retraded :) |
| darko | based on odoms stats so far this season (7pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 29% fg, 17% 3pt) i can see why he let him go. But i assume he will only get better once he fits in with dallas. Also his NLL ratings wont take a big dive. |
| nick | Not sure what CHA was thinking here. Another nice deal for ORL. His team is shaping up real nice. |
| daved | plenty of minimum piss-pots in there |
| greenmig | now you just need to find a few blokes who are willing to suit up for a carton of piss mate!! ;) |
| daved | fantastic work to build a real competative team!! ... having few players at least means the "other better players on the roster" thing doesn't count to heavily against you |
| laddas | i had a better trade which i preferred but unfortunately it never came to. im still hhappy with this though. the challenge now is to fill out the roster |
| greenmig | wow laddas, making things happen!! |
| vt | Now ORL has to get 5 players with $1 mil under cap and 21 gm pts. |
| darko | stop doing trades orlando, pretty soon your #1 pick is going to land in the 20s! LOL |
| Mavs4Life | Good deal for both teams. |
| darko | based on odoms stats so far this season (7pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 29% fg, 17% 3pt) i can see why he let him go. But i assume he will only get better once he fits in with dallas. Also his NLL ratings wont take a big dive. |
| nick | Not sure what CHA was thinking here. Another nice deal for ORL. His team is shaping up real nice. |
| daved | plenty of minimum piss-pots in there |
| greenmig | now you just need to find a few blokes who are willing to suit up for a carton of piss mate!! ;) |
| daved | fantastic work to build a real competative team!! ... having few players at least means the "other better players on the roster" thing doesn't count to heavily against you |
| laddas | i had a better trade which i preferred but unfortunately it never came to. im still hhappy with this though. the challenge now is to fill out the roster |
| greenmig | wow laddas, making things happen!! |
| vt | Now ORL has to get 5 players with $1 mil under cap and 21 gm pts. |
| darko | stop doing trades orlando, pretty soon your #1 pick is going to land in the 20s! LOL |
| Mavs4Life | Good deal for both teams. |
| nick | Thank you smokey for the sane commentary. |
| Mavs4Life | Yes sir lol |
| sheed36 | Boston... Do anything but trade Rubio |
| sheed36 | Nick just a cry baby lol |
| vt | lol "dunadan" |
| vt | @dundan- totally, totally true. |
| dunadan | mavs4life got the extra gm points from the previous gm, so he's got plenty to pay the luxtax from and more to boot |
| smokey | This is a fair trade so I don't see how it could have almost been rejected. Everyone knows the rules about the lux cap, and if this was a vet GM then there wouldn't have been any problem. going over the cap is just a little risk that BOS has taken, but I don't think he is too worried about that anyway!! |
| vt | I actually almost rejected the deal unless Nick gave some GM pts (like 2) to cover the lux hit. But he cried. And I can't stand to see a man cry. |
| badwolf | wow, landry has 9M deal? |
| dunadan | makes sense for both teams, since it fills their respective needs. but it puts boston over the luxury cap and landry could very well turn out to be a one year rental. the celtics are now also up there with okc and nj in terms of age. |
| smokey | Boston really round out their starting lineup with this trade... landry and bargnani will be a good combo along with Hill, Kobe, and Kidd. they also get rid of a guy worth 7 mil who would only be backing up Kobe. For Denver it gives them a good starting 2 guard, and with Ryan Anderson playing very well in the NBA the lineup looks solid as it always does in Denver. not a bad trade for either team! |
| greenmig | not a big fan of thornton. nice deal for boston. |
| nick | Thank you smokey for the sane commentary. |
| Mavs4Life | Yes sir lol |
| sheed36 | Boston... Do anything but trade Rubio |
| sheed36 | Nick just a cry baby lol |
| vt | lol "dunadan" |
| vt | @dundan- totally, totally true. |
| dunadan | mavs4life got the extra gm points from the previous gm, so he's got plenty to pay the luxtax from and more to boot |
| smokey | This is a fair trade so I don't see how it could have almost been rejected. Everyone knows the rules about the lux cap, and if this was a vet GM then there wouldn't have been any problem. going over the cap is just a little risk that BOS has taken, but I don't think he is too worried about that anyway!! |
| vt | I actually almost rejected the deal unless Nick gave some GM pts (like 2) to cover the lux hit. But he cried. And I can't stand to see a man cry. |
| badwolf | wow, landry has 9M deal? |
| dunadan | makes sense for both teams, since it fills their respective needs. but it puts boston over the luxury cap and landry could very well turn out to be a one year rental. the celtics are now also up there with okc and nj in terms of age. |
| smokey | Boston really round out their starting lineup with this trade... landry and bargnani will be a good combo along with Hill, Kobe, and Kidd. they also get rid of a guy worth 7 mil who would only be backing up Kobe. For Denver it gives them a good starting 2 guard, and with Ryan Anderson playing very well in the NBA the lineup looks solid as it always does in Denver. not a bad trade for either team! |
| greenmig | not a big fan of thornton. nice deal for boston. |
| forrest | from what I remember, I was ripped apart for trading Deron Williams for a similar deal that Williams was dealt for |
| vt | League doesn't need to approve, GM. Two vet GMs. I still think NYK wins out. |
| greenmig | yer on further thought this is an unbelievable steal for the magic. a hall of fame pg, the best in the game, superstar at 27yrs old for an unproven kid and a washed up big man. Wow, what a shocker. The Magic win hands down here. Unbelievable. I'm actually surprised the league approved this tbqh! |
| laddas | That's the idea nick lol. Look there are future considerations involved in this which was the deciding factor in the deal. IF D-Will is involved in a S&T then that'll hurt but that is the risk i have taken. I've read multiple reports from scouts saying Irving will never reach the level of the top pg's and i wanted to pair Gasol with a superstar. My team lacks depth yes, but i am working on that ;) |
| nick | I like the deal for Orlando. He got Deron Williams. Nuff said. It's like Orlando have completely shortcutted the rebuilding phase. |
| sheed36 | I meant *Its bad* |
| sheed36 | I think its back for both team... Irving will not be Deran Williams and Orlando will have a hard time to keep him for next year... |
| greenmig | deron williams is a superstar PG in his prime at 27yrs old. kyrie irving is a rookie pg with the nba/nll world at his feet. if you wanna win it all now, deron is the man to help you. |
| daved | its kinda like the reverse of how derson was acquired by NY - hehe - what did those 2 1st rounders to Sac turn into? .... I kinda don't mind it both ways, you can see something advantageous for each, but yeah risky for Orlando - they have to hope Deron is somehow straight up traded before he can opt out as happens alot (eg chris paul), then he can keep him forever |
| forrest | When a team gets a borderline superstar player that is young (Deron Williams) I don't think you can really give them a poor grade. What if in three years Camby is retired and Kyrie Irving is Mike Conley Jr? |
| forrest | When a team gets a borderline superstar player that is young (Deron Williams) I don't think you can really give them a poor grade. What if in three years Camby is retired and Kyrie Irving is Mike Conley Jr? |
| badwolf | if he would do a s&t, he might as well just sign directly with dallas, as the rumour says |
| houndy | Knicks got a nice deal for the future, and it looks like the Magic are wanting to go all the way |
| vt | He could use the "sign and trade" argument....meaning he will get SOMETHING...but we all know you never get equal value in these situations. |
| badwolf | very risky for Orlando. on one side, kyrie will never be as good as Deron is/was. On the other side, is this just a 1 season rental? |
| Mavs4Life | You make good points, but Camby is getting older and Kyrie has less experience. In long run, this could be big for NYK, but ORL gets an all-star PG in the moment. There roster still needs major help, though, but he says a decent amount of cap space. |
| vt | I think this is a fantastic deal for NYK. He gets a PG that is 8yrs younger, like $10mil cheaper and who is playing better right now in the NBA. Deron's situation is tenuous in NJ and people are talking about how he's "checked out." On top of it, he gets a quality big man to increase his depth. On the flip side, ORL is putting all his eggs in two baskets (Pau and Deron). One of them goes down and it's game over for that team. They also sacrifice a viable backup big who would help them on this win it all crusade. A trade for NY, D+ for ORL. |
| Mavs4Life | Hmmm... mixed feelings, but I think it works out for both teams. |
| forrest | from what I remember, I was ripped apart for trading Deron Williams for a similar deal that Williams was dealt for |
| vt | League doesn't need to approve, GM. Two vet GMs. I still think NYK wins out. |
| greenmig | yer on further thought this is an unbelievable steal for the magic. a hall of fame pg, the best in the game, superstar at 27yrs old for an unproven kid and a washed up big man. Wow, what a shocker. The Magic win hands down here. Unbelievable. I'm actually surprised the league approved this tbqh! |
| laddas | That's the idea nick lol. Look there are future considerations involved in this which was the deciding factor in the deal. IF D-Will is involved in a S&T then that'll hurt but that is the risk i have taken. I've read multiple reports from scouts saying Irving will never reach the level of the top pg's and i wanted to pair Gasol with a superstar. My team lacks depth yes, but i am working on that ;) |
| nick | I like the deal for Orlando. He got Deron Williams. Nuff said. It's like Orlando have completely shortcutted the rebuilding phase. |
| sheed36 | I meant *Its bad* |
| sheed36 | I think its back for both team... Irving will not be Deran Williams and Orlando will have a hard time to keep him for next year... |
| greenmig | deron williams is a superstar PG in his prime at 27yrs old. kyrie irving is a rookie pg with the nba/nll world at his feet. if you wanna win it all now, deron is the man to help you. |
| daved | its kinda like the reverse of how derson was acquired by NY - hehe - what did those 2 1st rounders to Sac turn into? .... I kinda don't mind it both ways, you can see something advantageous for each, but yeah risky for Orlando - they have to hope Deron is somehow straight up traded before he can opt out as happens alot (eg chris paul), then he can keep him forever |
| forrest | When a team gets a borderline superstar player that is young (Deron Williams) I don't think you can really give them a poor grade. What if in three years Camby is retired and Kyrie Irving is Mike Conley Jr? |
| forrest | When a team gets a borderline superstar player that is young (Deron Williams) I don't think you can really give them a poor grade. What if in three years Camby is retired and Kyrie Irving is Mike Conley Jr? |
| badwolf | if he would do a s&t, he might as well just sign directly with dallas, as the rumour says |
| houndy | Knicks got a nice deal for the future, and it looks like the Magic are wanting to go all the way |
| vt | He could use the "sign and trade" argument....meaning he will get SOMETHING...but we all know you never get equal value in these situations. |
| badwolf | very risky for Orlando. on one side, kyrie will never be as good as Deron is/was. On the other side, is this just a 1 season rental? |
| Mavs4Life | You make good points, but Camby is getting older and Kyrie has less experience. In long run, this could be big for NYK, but ORL gets an all-star PG in the moment. There roster still needs major help, though, but he says a decent amount of cap space. |
| vt | I think this is a fantastic deal for NYK. He gets a PG that is 8yrs younger, like $10mil cheaper and who is playing better right now in the NBA. Deron's situation is tenuous in NJ and people are talking about how he's "checked out." On top of it, he gets a quality big man to increase his depth. On the flip side, ORL is putting all his eggs in two baskets (Pau and Deron). One of them goes down and it's game over for that team. They also sacrifice a viable backup big who would help them on this win it all crusade. A trade for NY, D+ for ORL. |
| Mavs4Life | Hmmm... mixed feelings, but I think it works out for both teams. |
| vt | Yeah- you should have shopped him a little harder before settling on a deal. Soon you will be a hardened, old Gm and know the tricks! |
| pennywise | Miami was the only team to ask about him...I posted in my trading block he was going cheap.... |
| dazman32 | I too would have paid more than that for him |
| sheed36 | Couple year back he was 12... I think next year will be 1 |
| nick | If i had known Oden was going this cheap i would've given more GM pts than this too... |
| vt | You use it to get players when you are over the cap. You can use it in trades where you are not sending back players. Like if you were over the cap and wanted Oden, you could send picks and/or pts and use the TPE to obtain him. |
| darko | Wow, would have gave more than 3 points for him. :/ |
| tmacf13 | Clearly I don't know how it works haha |
| vt | No idea why MIA used his TPE on Oden when he had enough cap space to get him.... |
| vt | Yeah- you should have shopped him a little harder before settling on a deal. Soon you will be a hardened, old Gm and know the tricks! |
| pennywise | Miami was the only team to ask about him...I posted in my trading block he was going cheap.... |
| dazman32 | I too would have paid more than that for him |
| sheed36 | Couple year back he was 12... I think next year will be 1 |
| nick | If i had known Oden was going this cheap i would've given more GM pts than this too... |
| vt | You use it to get players when you are over the cap. You can use it in trades where you are not sending back players. Like if you were over the cap and wanted Oden, you could send picks and/or pts and use the TPE to obtain him. |
| darko | Wow, would have gave more than 3 points for him. :/ |
| tmacf13 | Clearly I don't know how it works haha |
| vt | No idea why MIA used his TPE on Oden when he had enough cap space to get him.... |
| badwolf | maybe, though he hasn't shown it yet. He might be a stud some day, but Gortat 2.0 is likelier outcome imo. Could surprise though.. |
| tmacf13 | Favors can become a really good offensive player. Emeka and Gortat will never be that. |
| badwolf | I'm not sold on favors. Even if he pans out, what do you expect? certainly not next Howard or Bynum, we know that by now. More like next Emeka or.... Gortat? And there's still a chance he will be a bust. i think Suns did a good job here. Portland has a really solid defense now, but I guess he really likes Favors. |
| houndy | nice deal for portland, got a nice young player with upside in Favors |
| alejandro | The positive for phoenix is that Udoh is already a good NLL player |
| greenmig | basically Favors for Gortat, I know who I'd prefer to have if I was rebuilding... |
| tmacf13 | I like the deal for Portland. Favors has the most upside here by far |
| badwolf | maybe, though he hasn't shown it yet. He might be a stud some day, but Gortat 2.0 is likelier outcome imo. Could surprise though.. |
| tmacf13 | Favors can become a really good offensive player. Emeka and Gortat will never be that. |
| badwolf | I'm not sold on favors. Even if he pans out, what do you expect? certainly not next Howard or Bynum, we know that by now. More like next Emeka or.... Gortat? And there's still a chance he will be a bust. i think Suns did a good job here. Portland has a really solid defense now, but I guess he really likes Favors. |
| houndy | nice deal for portland, got a nice young player with upside in Favors |
| alejandro | The positive for phoenix is that Udoh is already a good NLL player |
| greenmig | basically Favors for Gortat, I know who I'd prefer to have if I was rebuilding... |
| tmacf13 | I like the deal for Portland. Favors has the most upside here by far |
| nick | daye's value isn't THAT low... he could have a pretty good season this season.. |
| proid | But why spend 20+ pts on a guy that's going to be your 3rd stringer? |
| vt | Sorry..Sac offered 20..Chi offered 15 and his 2nd. |
| dazman32 | To be fair, i never offered 20. 15 was my highest. |
| greenmig | Fair enough |
| badwolf | GM points are for spending... I'm a bit surprised by his value too, he fell out of rotation in Detroit... haven't seen much of Pistons during his days, so I can't say much about him... |
| vt | If we overrided this deal, Greeny, he would have just gone to CHI or SAC for 20pts. So that is the correct value and why we let Utah have him for 22. |
| greenmig | This is ridiculous. The league should override a deal like this. |
| darko | So he is about half as good as Steve Blake? |
| Mavs4Life | For aguy that didn't start and only averaged 5 points a game, his value suprises me. |
| sheed36 | My god! Its looks like soccer when you buy players.. And if gm points were cash Philly would be Real Madrid. |
| forrest | true story |
| vt | Just some backstory, I had two other teams offering 20 GM points for Mr. Daye's services. |
| nick | daye's value isn't THAT low... he could have a pretty good season this season.. |
| proid | But why spend 20+ pts on a guy that's going to be your 3rd stringer? |
| vt | Sorry..Sac offered 20..Chi offered 15 and his 2nd. |
| dazman32 | To be fair, i never offered 20. 15 was my highest. |
| greenmig | Fair enough |
| badwolf | GM points are for spending... I'm a bit surprised by his value too, he fell out of rotation in Detroit... haven't seen much of Pistons during his days, so I can't say much about him... |
| vt | If we overrided this deal, Greeny, he would have just gone to CHI or SAC for 20pts. So that is the correct value and why we let Utah have him for 22. |
| greenmig | This is ridiculous. The league should override a deal like this. |
| darko | So he is about half as good as Steve Blake? |
| Mavs4Life | For aguy that didn't start and only averaged 5 points a game, his value suprises me. |
| sheed36 | My god! Its looks like soccer when you buy players.. And if gm points were cash Philly would be Real Madrid. |
| forrest | true story |
| vt | Just some backstory, I had two other teams offering 20 GM points for Mr. Daye's services. |
| smokey | If you take no notice of how many games he has played but go by his career stats!! 16PPG 11RPG... I'll take 3 thanks LOL |
| vt | Lol...can you consider this a bargain? |
| badwolf | "Zach Randolph to miss up to 8 weeks with knee ligament tear" |
| forrest | I think Jason Thompson has already hit his full potential, Anthony Randolph has barely touched his. |
| greenmig | "dirty deeds done dirt cheap" ;)!! although ZeBo almost blew his knee out yesterday....that would have been a shocker for OKC! |
| houndy | Wow, Boyd got a nice deal |
| vt | This deal isn't the best for Detroit. However, there are hidden benefits. He gets like $9mil in cap room and a TPE for almost $10mil. So if he plays his cards right, he gets A Randolph, Cole, Singler, the 2nds and then two players (hopefully good) for Z-Bo. We tried to get him to take Jason Thompson instead of A Randolph. He thinks A Randolph is better. I disagree. |
| badwolf | wow, very bad |
| darko | Bad move for Detroit. |
| badwolf | "Zach Randolph to miss up to 8 weeks with knee ligament tear" |
| forrest | I think Jason Thompson has already hit his full potential, Anthony Randolph has barely touched his. |
| greenmig | "dirty deeds done dirt cheap" ;)!! although ZeBo almost blew his knee out yesterday....that would have been a shocker for OKC! |
| houndy | Wow, Boyd got a nice deal |
| vt | This deal isn't the best for Detroit. However, there are hidden benefits. He gets like $9mil in cap room and a TPE for almost $10mil. So if he plays his cards right, he gets A Randolph, Cole, Singler, the 2nds and then two players (hopefully good) for Z-Bo. We tried to get him to take Jason Thompson instead of A Randolph. He thinks A Randolph is better. I disagree. |
| badwolf | wow, very bad |
| darko | Bad move for Detroit. |
| dunadan | in the light of this one, the randolph trade now makes more sense. they turned those second rounders into first-rounders and cleared their logjams at the point and power forward. and you might also argue that they received the best NLL player in the deal (no offense to TP and MC) |
| smokey | HAHAH melo refused to sign unless I traded Parker! he will resign in due course!! |
| Mavs4Life | He'ld be crazy to trade the MVP. |
| greenmig | nice one smokey but the question remains, why havent you re-signed MELO yet ?? Is there something you want to tell us :)? |
| Mavs4Life | I've got the oppisite, it works out a little for everyone. The 1st rounders won't be the highest, and Cleveland still has problems, no starting 2 guard, the bench. The Mavs get some good players, Hansbrough is a good player for the furture, along with Melo and Conley, Tony Allen can provide off the bench. I think it works out the best for the Mavs, even with giving up Parker. |
| smokey | I think definitely a good trade for all parties. Cleveland FINALLY gets a true PG which they have been trying to acquire for a while, Detroit, picks up Afflalo who will start, and 2 1st round picks, so definitely building for the future, and obviously this years draft is going to be pretty deep. I did initially want to keep my 1st pick, but settled on sending it away, as I think I get deeper as a team, and salary cap wise I am exaclty at the same position as I would have been with just Parker, except now I have 15 on the roster, not 12.. win for all teams in my opinion.. but of course i am going to be biased lol |
| greenmig | wow my 2nd rnder is sure picking up some frequent flyer miles!! On another note, this is a nice deal for all teams I think. Parker is a beast in 2K so the Cavs will benefit. For the Mavs this is a nice deal too - Hansbrough is a nice pickup and Conley could well be as good as Parker one day. Tony Allen not a bad pickup either. The Pistons now have more 1st rnders than the Bucks!! Now that is saying something lol. Looks like gm royal is building for the future - although he might rue the day he traded away Hansbrough. |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| tmacf13 | Wow... Blockbuster. Tough one to analyze |
| dunadan | in the light of this one, the randolph trade now makes more sense. they turned those second rounders into first-rounders and cleared their logjams at the point and power forward. and you might also argue that they received the best NLL player in the deal (no offense to TP and MC) |
| smokey | HAHAH melo refused to sign unless I traded Parker! he will resign in due course!! |
| Mavs4Life | He'ld be crazy to trade the MVP. |
| greenmig | nice one smokey but the question remains, why havent you re-signed MELO yet ?? Is there something you want to tell us :)? |
| Mavs4Life | I've got the oppisite, it works out a little for everyone. The 1st rounders won't be the highest, and Cleveland still has problems, no starting 2 guard, the bench. The Mavs get some good players, Hansbrough is a good player for the furture, along with Melo and Conley, Tony Allen can provide off the bench. I think it works out the best for the Mavs, even with giving up Parker. |
| smokey | I think definitely a good trade for all parties. Cleveland FINALLY gets a true PG which they have been trying to acquire for a while, Detroit, picks up Afflalo who will start, and 2 1st round picks, so definitely building for the future, and obviously this years draft is going to be pretty deep. I did initially want to keep my 1st pick, but settled on sending it away, as I think I get deeper as a team, and salary cap wise I am exaclty at the same position as I would have been with just Parker, except now I have 15 on the roster, not 12.. win for all teams in my opinion.. but of course i am going to be biased lol |
| greenmig | wow my 2nd rnder is sure picking up some frequent flyer miles!! On another note, this is a nice deal for all teams I think. Parker is a beast in 2K so the Cavs will benefit. For the Mavs this is a nice deal too - Hansbrough is a nice pickup and Conley could well be as good as Parker one day. Tony Allen not a bad pickup either. The Pistons now have more 1st rnders than the Bucks!! Now that is saying something lol. Looks like gm royal is building for the future - although he might rue the day he traded away Hansbrough. |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| tmacf13 | Wow... Blockbuster. Tough one to analyze |
| dunadan | in the light of this one, the randolph trade now makes more sense. they turned those second rounders into first-rounders and cleared their logjams at the point and power forward. and you might also argue that they received the best NLL player in the deal (no offense to TP and MC) |
| smokey | HAHAH melo refused to sign unless I traded Parker! he will resign in due course!! |
| Mavs4Life | He'ld be crazy to trade the MVP. |
| greenmig | nice one smokey but the question remains, why havent you re-signed MELO yet ?? Is there something you want to tell us :)? |
| Mavs4Life | I've got the oppisite, it works out a little for everyone. The 1st rounders won't be the highest, and Cleveland still has problems, no starting 2 guard, the bench. The Mavs get some good players, Hansbrough is a good player for the furture, along with Melo and Conley, Tony Allen can provide off the bench. I think it works out the best for the Mavs, even with giving up Parker. |
| smokey | I think definitely a good trade for all parties. Cleveland FINALLY gets a true PG which they have been trying to acquire for a while, Detroit, picks up Afflalo who will start, and 2 1st round picks, so definitely building for the future, and obviously this years draft is going to be pretty deep. I did initially want to keep my 1st pick, but settled on sending it away, as I think I get deeper as a team, and salary cap wise I am exaclty at the same position as I would have been with just Parker, except now I have 15 on the roster, not 12.. win for all teams in my opinion.. but of course i am going to be biased lol |
| greenmig | wow my 2nd rnder is sure picking up some frequent flyer miles!! On another note, this is a nice deal for all teams I think. Parker is a beast in 2K so the Cavs will benefit. For the Mavs this is a nice deal too - Hansbrough is a nice pickup and Conley could well be as good as Parker one day. Tony Allen not a bad pickup either. The Pistons now have more 1st rnders than the Bucks!! Now that is saying something lol. Looks like gm royal is building for the future - although he might rue the day he traded away Hansbrough. |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| tmacf13 | Wow... Blockbuster. Tough one to analyze |
| greenmig | now that we have this cool trending feature...thought I would dredge this one out of the mire for a little bit more 'analysis' ;). I think in future overall talent wise and picks and 10gm pts Philly cleans up in this deal. If memory serves me correctly Wallace is a 2K monster - so if this continues the Nets have a big time 2K player in return as well as Nash. I initially thought Bos gave up a bit too much but if Hill and Kidd stay healthy this is a great duo for now, and Korver can really shoot the ball. But I think for future they lost out giving up Budinger and their 1st. |
| greenmig | now that we have this cool trending feature...thought I would dredge this one out of the mire for a little bit more 'analysis' ;). I think in future overall talent wise and picks and 10gm pts Philly cleans up in this deal. If memory serves me correctly Wallace is a 2K monster - so if this continues the Nets have a big time 2K player in return as well as Nash. I initially thought Bos gave up a bit too much but if Hill and Kidd stay healthy this is a great duo for now, and Korver can really shoot the ball. But I think for future they lost out giving up Budinger and their 1st. |
| greenmig | now that we have this cool trending feature...thought I would dredge this one out of the mire for a little bit more 'analysis' ;). I think in future overall talent wise and picks and 10gm pts Philly cleans up in this deal. If memory serves me correctly Wallace is a 2K monster - so if this continues the Nets have a big time 2K player in return as well as Nash. I initially thought Bos gave up a bit too much but if Hill and Kidd stay healthy this is a great duo for now, and Korver can really shoot the ball. But I think for future they lost out giving up Budinger and their 1st. |
| vt | I wouldn't call $5.6 mil for a starting C a bad contract. |
| badwolf | a bad contract and player like Frye for 4th pick in the draft? How is this a risk for GS? Great step 1 in rebuid... |
| houndy | If Valanciunas comes out big, big win for the Warriors. If not, a center can come anyday+Cap relief. I think the warriors got the up |
| Mavs4Life | Agreed, we still have to see what Jonas will do in the pros, but now the Rockets have picks and a big men. |
| vt | Big risk for both teams. GS is without a quality C now and HOU deals a guy who isn't playing but drafted in the Top 5. Immediate advantage to HOU, but I think may win out in the long run..... |
| vt | I wouldn't call $5.6 mil for a starting C a bad contract. |
| badwolf | a bad contract and player like Frye for 4th pick in the draft? How is this a risk for GS? Great step 1 in rebuid... |
| houndy | If Valanciunas comes out big, big win for the Warriors. If not, a center can come anyday+Cap relief. I think the warriors got the up |
| Mavs4Life | Agreed, we still have to see what Jonas will do in the pros, but now the Rockets have picks and a big men. |
| vt | Big risk for both teams. GS is without a quality C now and HOU deals a guy who isn't playing but drafted in the Top 5. Immediate advantage to HOU, but I think may win out in the long run..... |
| vt | yeah i shopped him to everyone. SA wins. We all lose. |
| greenmig | oh yer u did i just saw it. i guess cos i never knew who he was i took no notice, i was like 'jonas who?' haha |
| greenmig | jerebko - mate trying to catch up on the nba etc all the way over here on the other side of the world i had never even heard of him lol, let alone knowing you shopped him hard? did you make a trade talk post or send out a msg. i didnt see those if you did. ;) |
| badwolf | the way he plays now... I'm sure i'd throw in a second ;) |
| vt | Eh- you would have offered only crap like Mike Miller and Mags. :) |
| badwolf | yeah, we're all very sorry right now :D |
| vt | For Jerebko? I shopped him hard. No one wanted him. I came to SA. The original deal was Bibby instead of those 10pts. But then I decided to keep Barea and asked for points instead. Oh well. Mahinmi may turn out to make the deal worthwhile. |
| badwolf | I wish i put on a stronger bid (bradley and 2nd right?).. i'm surprised noone wanted to give more for him... |
| vt | He was a 2nd rounder two yrs ago. Had a great rookie year then missed his sophomore year with a torn Achilles. Wish I could have kept him (and Wallace) but cap issues forced my hand. |
| greenmig | mahinmi is a monster. i noticed this in his brief stints off the bench last yr. i just saw jonas for the 1st time the other day & im very impressed - where did he appear from? |
| leeroy | no one is questioning Jonas, mate...... just saying Mahinmi isn't as bad as you made out |
| vt | Lol- take a look at Jonas' stats, mate. |
| leeroy | Told you mahinmi was up for a big year and you refused to believe!!! :) |
| vt | Man...SA got good value in Jerebko. But is Mahinmi the dark horse in this deal?! |
| vt | yeah i shopped him to everyone. SA wins. We all lose. |
| greenmig | oh yer u did i just saw it. i guess cos i never knew who he was i took no notice, i was like 'jonas who?' haha |
| greenmig | jerebko - mate trying to catch up on the nba etc all the way over here on the other side of the world i had never even heard of him lol, let alone knowing you shopped him hard? did you make a trade talk post or send out a msg. i didnt see those if you did. ;) |
| badwolf | the way he plays now... I'm sure i'd throw in a second ;) |
| vt | Eh- you would have offered only crap like Mike Miller and Mags. :) |
| badwolf | yeah, we're all very sorry right now :D |
| vt | For Jerebko? I shopped him hard. No one wanted him. I came to SA. The original deal was Bibby instead of those 10pts. But then I decided to keep Barea and asked for points instead. Oh well. Mahinmi may turn out to make the deal worthwhile. |
| badwolf | I wish i put on a stronger bid (bradley and 2nd right?).. i'm surprised noone wanted to give more for him... |
| vt | He was a 2nd rounder two yrs ago. Had a great rookie year then missed his sophomore year with a torn Achilles. Wish I could have kept him (and Wallace) but cap issues forced my hand. |
| greenmig | mahinmi is a monster. i noticed this in his brief stints off the bench last yr. i just saw jonas for the 1st time the other day & im very impressed - where did he appear from? |
| leeroy | no one is questioning Jonas, mate...... just saying Mahinmi isn't as bad as you made out |
| vt | Lol- take a look at Jonas' stats, mate. |
| leeroy | Told you mahinmi was up for a big year and you refused to believe!!! :) |
| vt | Man...SA got good value in Jerebko. But is Mahinmi the dark horse in this deal?! |
| darko | It is cool. Could be a little taller though, or the width of the page so its easier to scroll through. |
| vt | Cool...the TRENDING section is working. This shows deals that people have commented on. |
| darko | Thunder agreed to our deal too soon, had to trade back so he could do a different deal, then accept mine again. So he just messed up in the order he was going to accept deals. |
| badwolf | can someone explain what's with all these trades? |
| darko | It is cool. Could be a little taller though, or the width of the page so its easier to scroll through. |
| vt | Cool...the TRENDING section is working. This shows deals that people have commented on. |
| darko | Thunder agreed to our deal too soon, had to trade back so he could do a different deal, then accept mine again. So he just messed up in the order he was going to accept deals. |
| badwolf | can someone explain what's with all these trades? |
| badwolf | well, Perk's got injury issuses also and they also give a lot on talent and potential. I think it's a solid deal for both teams. Raptors had to deal Bynum as they had 3 near max contracts and that's hard to afford. Kings got the best player in the deal, but his problems are now in forrest's care to. |
| vt | Great, great deal for the Raps. They get a center for less money (and one who plays more) and a starting SG. |
| badwolf | well, Perk's got injury issuses also and they also give a lot on talent and potential. I think it's a solid deal for both teams. Raptors had to deal Bynum as they had 3 near max contracts and that's hard to afford. Kings got the best player in the deal, but his problems are now in forrest's care to. |
| vt | Great, great deal for the Raps. They get a center for less money (and one who plays more) and a starting SG. |
| sheed36 | Arron Afflalo ready for more 5 years as Cavs Point Guard lol |
| houndy | Spurs got some nice players |
| darko | Wow thats a lot of talent for Dirk! Nice deal for the Spurs. |
| houndy | Spurs got some nice players |
| darko | Wow thats a lot of talent for Dirk! Nice deal for the Spurs. |
| Mavs4Life | Looooow. Don't do it Dert, trade him!!!! |
| vt | Wow!Dert's commitment to bad players just reached a new high (or low?)... |
| badwolf | is this official?m I read somewhere he's not decided yet... |
| dunadan | wasn't there some concern about his knees/health before he was even drafted? |
| vt | Like I told Javi, better retired than $15mil sitting on the IR, right? |
| laddas | yep! Very talented player! 27 years old and done. Gotta feel for the Blazers, Oden will probably have to retire in the near future also. |
| nick | An absolute tragedy. |
| nick | Cool feature! |
| dunadan | Trades can now also be discussed here instead of the forum... |
| darko | Say it aint so big Z! |
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