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· Team by Team: Washington Wizards (11 comments)
· Atlantic Preview (11 comments)
· Pacific Preview (6 comments)
· Central Preview (5 comments)
· Southeast Preview (11 comments)
· Team by Team: Utah Jazz (1 comment)
· Southwest Preview- A 2nd Opinion (7 comments)
· Southwest Preview (6 comments)
| greenmig | wow, love the new pop up comments bubble tim :) |
| nick | Haha this is classic! |
| dazman32 | Yeah thanks VT, your humor seems to improve with each one. |
| juvenile404 | thanks for writing these up vt. |
| greenmig | ROFL, you saved the best till last, what a fine piece if literature. No one will ever do what darkos wizards did again. When you break it down it really is unbelievable. |
| vt | ah gotcha...lol. hope you liked it. |
| vt | say what? |
| forrest | hahaha, I hope no dogs or hats were hurt in the writing of thi |
| dazman32 | Lol many laughs were had, congrats again Darko, you did a great job last season! |
| darko | lol, nice article. |
| vt | pant....pant....i f**n did it! i did it! |
| dare | Yup and waiting for a chance to take over greenmig... |
| laddas | haha i've been saying that since the trade dare! Laker fan? Great writeup mate! very good. |
| proid | Nice work :) The division order is incorrect but I can let it slide lol |
| dare | Kobe should not be playing with the C's that is all... |
| pennywise | I agree... great job!!! love the way you put the trade info up...also loved you getting quotes from GM's about the season |
| greenmig | detailed writeup, good job. |
| juvenile404 | This has always been a tough division. Philly is always good, the Nets are usually solid along with the Knicks and since I lucked into Durant when I got here my team has been solid as well. It's not unusual for the Atlantic to make up half the Eastern Conference playoff teams in this league. Very competitive. |
| smokey | I wouldn't say I burned ya mate lol. This was a bloody hard division to write up... Good fun tho. And just so people know this write up was finished before there were a few more FA signings. Happy reading guys!! |
| smokey | I wouldn't say I burned ya mate lol. This was a bloody hard division to write up... Good fun tho. And just so people know this write up was finished before there were a few more FA signings. Happy reading guys!! |
| Mavs4Life | I got burned lol, but it only motivates me. |
| vt | Thanks, DAL! |
| forrest | Nicely written! |
| WALLrus | i would start Williams, but he has not shown me anything great in the NBA, i feel like he will get his chance soon though |
| pennywise | I'm hoping to be the upset...sneak into playoffs as 8th seed:) |
| badwolf | nice work |
| greenmig | A fair assessment of my team....yer its not very good lol ...I agree |
| vt | Thanks, TOR! |
| pennywise | I'm taking decline as not being as good as last year. With the rest of the league getting better, I can't see them post as good a winning percentage as last year. |
| laddas | Good read, but i dont think milwaukee is on the decline. I think they'll battle it out with philly as the team to beat out east. |
| badwolf | dumping zach for nothing is the best trade? |
| dazman32 | Orlando signed Larry Hughes so his salary is now off my books, great read though mate |
| vt | Thanks PHO! |
| badwolf | east is so good this year- atl and orl have great teams and miami is also very solid |
| vt | Fixed |
| greenmig | rofl yer sorry man... |
| laddas | Combine this with young C Greg Oden and you have a solid starting unit. I think you mean Greg Monroe right? |
| laddas | nice write up! Cheers Greeny! |
| tmacf13 | No respect |
| houndy | Leggo Hawks |
| Mavs4Life | Nice job man, though I'ld of put Atlanta and Orlando before Miami. |
| darko | Well considering that Battier, Gee, Yi, and Moon all left, my team was on the decline anyway. So i wanted to rebuild. No sense in keeping Gasol and Terry around when i have nothing to build around them with, and have almost no chance to sign good free agents. I think i got a hell of a deal for gasol, though the jason terry deal i could have maybe gotten more. |
| pennywise | nice...I like that you had multiple breakout players. My only concern would be about having LA in that mix. Isn't he already a semi-star? |
| vt | Thanks, Greenmig! |
| proid | PS. KG, Kevin Martin and Rudy Gay were all voted to the All Star Game. |
| greenmig | I agree with this one more |
| dare | Good job, like this one better because of the much nicer prediction on my team. lol |
| smokey | Good work! Although people might be a bit misled by my record last year! I had the best record in the west but I also had donte Greene and Patrick Patterson starting lol. So I think the moves I have made have been for the better of the team an means I'm trying to win again! I have a deeper team now than I did last year. :-) |
| daved | well the southwest is so good that it needs to be previewed twice .... good stuff |
| darko | the dallas photo especially :D |
| pennywise | hope you all like the eye candy!!! |
| vt | I messed up and assigned this out twice. So here is PHO's take on it. |
| WALLrus | really well said, and I'm lovin what it said for worst trade |
| smokey | Awesome write up!!! |
| badwolf | his nba stats - 9 and 6, hmmm... we're not in kansas anymore ;) |
| daved | best C .... hello! Kman! ... I can only assume you forgot he was in this division - better go and rewrite this bit and fix it up |
| magritte | Should I predict the Spurs to win it all now? |
| vt | Thanks, MIL! |
| vt | Dally must be kicking himself for signing there. |
| greenmig | yer nice trade for the nugs, blair is solid in 2k. gj getting under the lux tax too |
| vt | yay! more news from nick! |
| laddas | I am the same craig, but i was more talking about the second statement hehe |
| proid | Dare is a hardcore Laker fan and seeing Kobe in Celtic green is a bit tough to swallow. |
| nick | never drink and post :) |
| laddas | dare what you talking about? lol |
| houndy | Lol? |
| Mavs4Life | What do u mean? |
| dare | Kobe "Celtic of the Game" , this is too much stop this please... love that he is playing like a MVP here not in real life though.. |
| javijoe | No. They are minute! But very detailed! Lol. So intricate. ;) |
| vt | Nice! But do you mean "integral" and not "intricate" here? |
· [Feb. 05] The Oklahoma City Thunder release Larry Owens into free-agency.
· [Feb. 04] Jamaal Tinsley signs with the Oklahoma City Thunder for 1 year and the minimum salary of $ 1,223,166. (1 comment)
· [Feb. 04] The Atlanta Hawks claim Roger Mason off waivers.
· [Feb. 03] The Charlotte Bobcats release Andres Nocioni into free-agency.
| nick | and thanks! :) you too |
| nick | Yeh Blair seems to have fallen out of favour for Splitter for Spurs in NBA.... but his contract is too good to pass on! And i can definitely see him being a starter for a team in the future. |
| javijoe | I just wasn't happy with the rumblings here in SA. Blair is an enigma. The price is great for him. I am happy with this deal for sure. Always good dealing with Nick. :) |
| nick | particularly for the economic side of things |
| nick | Well Marvin is actually quietly having a career year this season in the nba, in terms of production per minute (higher PER than blair)... but yeh i'm pretty pleased |
| houndy | Yeah!!! |
| magritte | Great deal for Denver!!! |
| Loose89 | argh.. another one i wanted gone lol |
What will happen first?
| CLE loses |
| GS wins |
| CHI wins |
Total Responses: 23
· [Feb. 04]
Williams Trade (7)
· [Feb. 04]
Tinsley Signing (1)
· [Feb. 02]
Motiejunas Trade (10)
· [Feb. 01]
Radmanovic Waiving (2)
· [Jan. 29]
Brown Signing (12)
· [Jan. 25]
Jerebko Trade (30)
· [Jan. 29]
Cardinal Signing (1)
· [Jan. 28]
Jianlian Signing (4)
· [Jan. 25]
Pondexter Option (7)
· [Jan. 26]
Harris Signing (1)
· [Jan. 25]
Williams Option (5)
· [Jan. 25]
Cardinal Waiving (23)
· [Jan. 25]
McGuire Signing (1)
· [Jan. 24]
Vasquez Option (3)
· [Jan. 23]
Carter Signing (6)
· [Jan. 24]
Scalabrine Signing (2)
· [Jan. 24]
Johnson Signing (1)
· [Jan. 23]
Cardinal Waiving (4)
· [Jan. 22]
Wilkins Signing (5)
· [Jan. 21]
Hamilton Trade (6)
· [Jan. 20]
Williams Signing (8)
· [Jan. 20]
Gladness Signing (1)
· [Jan. 20]
Williams Signing (1)
· [Jan. 19]
Dunleavy Signing (6)
· [Jan. 19]
Battier Signing (11)
· [Jan. 18]
McGrady Signing (3)
· [Jan. 17]
Stiemsma Signing (6)
· [Jan. 17]
Crawford Signing (13)
· [Jan. 16]
Harrington Trade (13)
· [Jan. 17]
Garcia Signing (4)
· [Jan. 16]
Redick Signing (7)
· [Jan. 16]
Daniels Signing (1)
· [Jan. 14]
Butler Signing (12)
· [Jan. 15]
Wright Signing (4)
· [Jan. 15]
Dalembert Signing (1)
· [Jan. 13]
Summers Signing (3)
· [Jan. 12]
Jordan Signing (12)
· [Jan. 12]
Johnson Signing (3)
· [Jan. 12]
Hughes Signing (1)
· [Jan. 11]
Ilyasova Trade (3)
· [Jan. 10]
Garcia Waiving (13)
· [Jan. 11]
Battie Signing (1)
· [Jan. 07]
Turkoglu Trade (10)
· [Jan. 08]
Barbosa Trade (10)
· [Jan. 07]
Thornton Trade (13)
· [Jan. 07]
Williams Trade (18)
· [Jan. 04]
Oden Re-Signing (2)
· [Jan. 01]
Randolph Trade (7)
· [Dec. 26]
Jerebko Trade (14)
· [Dec. 28]
Afflalo Re-Signing (1)
· [Dec. 26]
Nowitzki Trade (2)
· [Dec. 26]
Walton Re-Signing (2)
| nick | and thanks! :) you too |
| nick | Yeh Blair seems to have fallen out of favour for Splitter for Spurs in NBA.... but his contract is too good to pass on! And i can definitely see him being a starter for a team in the future. |
| javijoe | I just wasn't happy with the rumblings here in SA. Blair is an enigma. The price is great for him. I am happy with this deal for sure. Always good dealing with Nick. :) |
| nick | particularly for the economic side of things |
| nick | Well Marvin is actually quietly having a career year this season in the nba, in terms of production per minute (higher PER than blair)... but yeh i'm pretty pleased |
| houndy | Yeah!!! |
| magritte | Great deal for Denver!!! |
| nick | and thanks! :) you too |
| nick | Yeh Blair seems to have fallen out of favour for Splitter for Spurs in NBA.... but his contract is too good to pass on! And i can definitely see him being a starter for a team in the future. |
| javijoe | I just wasn't happy with the rumblings here in SA. Blair is an enigma. The price is great for him. I am happy with this deal for sure. Always good dealing with Nick. :) |
| nick | particularly for the economic side of things |
| nick | Well Marvin is actually quietly having a career year this season in the nba, in terms of production per minute (higher PER than blair)... but yeh i'm pretty pleased |
| houndy | Yeah!!! |
| magritte | Great deal for Denver!!! |
| Loose89 | argh.. another one i wanted gone lol |
| alejandro | Don't know much about Motiejunas, but he has been putting up some big numbers lately. Assuming the pick ends up in the 20s, DET got fair value back. |
| royal | Exactly pennywise. Me myself, I'm not a big NCAA expert so I don't now much about late 1st round prospects from there, but Motiejunas on the other hand comes from neighbour country Lithuania, so I know what he's capable of. |
| pennywise | yeah, this really isn't a loss for either...just whether you covet Monti, or you have your eyes on some of the rookies coming out next year. |
| smokey | with the depth of this years draft I think with the CLE pick you would be able to find a guy as good or possibly better (potential wise) anyway so I think this trade is alright for both teams! |
| pennywise | the guy is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Sabonis, but will be in NBA before all the injuries took their toll on him. |
| dunadan | you are sitting at 2-2 :) |
| royal | Mavs4Life, that's right lol, but seriously this way we can still suck this year to get a high pick and still get all those players next year to build a competitive team. |
| nick | CLE pick should be a mid-late sort of range so a decent trade for Detroit. |
| Loose89 | I was tempted to go after him but i dont have anything i could trade for him (i dont want to trade my first rounder lol) |
| Mavs4Life | DET building up on those player rights haha. |
| alejandro | Don't know much about Motiejunas, but he has been putting up some big numbers lately. Assuming the pick ends up in the 20s, DET got fair value back. |
| royal | Exactly pennywise. Me myself, I'm not a big NCAA expert so I don't now much about late 1st round prospects from there, but Motiejunas on the other hand comes from neighbour country Lithuania, so I know what he's capable of. |
| pennywise | yeah, this really isn't a loss for either...just whether you covet Monti, or you have your eyes on some of the rookies coming out next year. |
| smokey | with the depth of this years draft I think with the CLE pick you would be able to find a guy as good or possibly better (potential wise) anyway so I think this trade is alright for both teams! |
| pennywise | the guy is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Sabonis, but will be in NBA before all the injuries took their toll on him. |
| dunadan | you are sitting at 2-2 :) |
| royal | Mavs4Life, that's right lol, but seriously this way we can still suck this year to get a high pick and still get all those players next year to build a competitive team. |
| nick | CLE pick should be a mid-late sort of range so a decent trade for Detroit. |
| Loose89 | I was tempted to go after him but i dont have anything i could trade for him (i dont want to trade my first rounder lol) |
| Mavs4Life | DET building up on those player rights haha. |
| laddas | Well I had a trade lol! Oh well |
| laddas | Well I have a trade coming so had to make room. |
| vt | What was the point of this? Wednesday- the day of strange waivings. |
| laddas | Hmmmm guess I jumped the gun! Whoops! |
| dunadan | what happened here? |
| vt | I think it works like this: you can't amnesty anyone you sign or gain DURING the season but when the season rolls over you can. |
| greenmig | I think you can. For 3yrs, it is valid. |
| juvenile404 | you can't amnesty someone you pick up anyways. the guy has to have been on your roster before the new CBA. |
| pennywise | Was hoping to save my amnesty |
| greenmig | yer good point laddas. rashard would probably score 20ppg this season in NLL 2k12. then you boot him if you dont like the salary lol. |
| laddas | you could've amnestied that though ;) |
| pennywise | yup...there were only 3 guys I could get that would have me above it too! I didn't want a player with a player option(Diop) and Rashard Lewis's contract, though ridiculous, could have been considered if it was a 1 yr rental, but he's got a 2 yr... |
| greenmig | ah yer the minimum salary rule. forgot about that one. |
| pennywise | Had to get to a certain amount of money spent or would get fined, wasn't going to take a player like Diop that could end up on my team next year without me wanting him there. He had player option. |
| darko | I thought about signing him just so i had a chance to resign him after the season. |
| Loose89 | Except he's out for a few months... |
| greenmig | decent addition - you may as well spend your money. |
| leeroy | moved on and going to let sleeping dogs lie mate.... plus as someone put it to me i did a favor to a horrible team... that's my good deed for the season :) |
| greenmig | so this one is all good now? |
| dazman32 | Yeah i know man, not having a go at all. Ive been caught in this trap on many occasions, getting set on having a guy come to my team, only for the other gm to change there mind and ask for more. Its a negotiating tactic for the more experienced that usually works on me to my detriment.
Unfortunately in this case, you had a panel of judges kind of doing the same thing on behalf of a rookie gm, when its supposed to be about only making sure the rookie isn't getting screwed, not about them getting the absolute best deal they can. Still if Atlanta go very well this year, and Houston are again near the bottom, those draft picks wont be that far apart and this deal will suddenly look more even by seasons end. Don't write your team off just yet mate, id take your roster over many others any day of the week. |
| leeroy | Daz as I said in hindsight I should have canned it . I'm more pissed at the fact that someone made it sound like hou was getting ripped off in the 1 st deal when clearly from the response from the league he wasn't ... The instructions clearly state that only reject it if it's a blatant rip off... And no the gm hasnt got onto me about it yet but fuck it kinda just want the season to start so I can start working towards my top 3 pick |
| dazman32 | People rate players and trades differently, maybe you got a bunch of gm's who love Wes. Still, it doesn't mean you have to completely overpay in a deal, you didn't have to offer this. If you felt the other one was fair you shouldn't have gone any higher and just broke of negotiations. |
| smokey | I don't think anyone is trying to say that the system is in place to favour all the new gm's at all... the whole point people are trying to get across is that the first deal was completely fair and that there was no need for it to get rejected which in turn meant SA had to go and offer MORE to get Wes Johnson... i just hope the person who rejected it has had a chat to SA about the whole situataion, because even if it was another vet GM in the league that made this trade with HOU the same reaction would have came! |
| pennywise | I dont think u can say they all favor new gms. Everyone was giving me a hard time over my favors trade. I had to push to get trade to go through. But I can see why rule is in place. Some newer owners may not fully grasp the system, and could hurt team for long term |
| leeroy | Think that discussion is next door darko |
| darko | Atlanta does look good, being in the east, they could very well be in the lottery because there are so many good teams. Which also means a shot at a top 3 pick. |
| daved | the instructions are pretty clear that it should only be rejected if it is a total rip off for the newbie - it says it about 3 times - it wasn't a rip off .... sure wes is potentially the best player involved, but it wasn't a rip off ..... and yeah, the potential for a gm to reject it to get their own deal is possible - which may suggest changing it to a majority thing rather no one reject it |
| smokey | I think some people were over rating wes... roddy is averaging pretty much the exact same numbers as him in the NBA and Roddy is coming off the bench. these guys are just full of potential and that's it at the moment. maybe badwolf is right too about giving the control back to the league? and what leeroy said that it would be easy for a GM to can a deal if he was going for the same player that one of the teams is trading.. |
| smokey | I think some people were over rating wes... roddy is averaging pretty much the exact same numbers as him in the NBA and Roddy is coming off the bench. these guys are just full of potential and that's it at the moment. maybe badwolf is right too about giving the control back to the league? and what leeroy said that it would be easy for a GM to can a deal if he was going for the same player that one of the teams is trading.. |
| leeroy | that's what we were sent for the first deal.....which to me makes it sound like a total rip off... that's why id like to have a chat to whoever sent it out of public obviously.... now like i said i should have canned it but talking to another gm about my 1st deal he also made it sound like i was ripping Houston..... it kinda sucks because what if a deal is sent to a gm that is going for the player your trading for?? very easy for someone to make up a speil and can the deal... |
| leeroy | No to this trade as is. It may be tweaked but I don't really see it happening. Houston is giving up way too much for a young star and although Roddy is good and a 1st LOOKS good, it doesn't compare to Wes' ability. The first rounder will most likely be a mid-to-late pick anyway. Definitely not good for Houston. |
| badwolf | what were the reasons stated for the rejection of the first deal? |
| badwolf | i was talking with PHX the other day... the only way a trade with a rookie gm gets approved through new system is if its a total rip off for them... like this one is... jerebko for wes would be fair tbh, adding beaubois and 1st is just overkill.. i'm in favour of some tweaks in the system or just giving it back to the league FO |
| leeroy | Just wondering who rejected the first deal... wouldn't mind having a chat and picking their brain... |
| greenmig | good to see a new GM get a break. but yer I agree, SA gave alot. be interesting to see who the judges where on this one... |
| smokey | Agree. Wes is busting at the moment in the nba! He is full of POTENTIAL! And roddy is exactly the same. They both have the same amount of potential. Roddy will start as soon as Kidd retires! Still baffles me to see how this was rejected. The original doesn rip of either team!!! Maybe daved is right we need to reconsider the system! |
| houndy | Basically, Beaubois and Johnson are about equal imo, Peko is pretty good, and you get the 1st rounder. It's sorta odd why it was rejected... |
| smokey | Totally agree! This offer is way too much! The original offer was fine. I would really like to know who rejected it and for them to give a reason why they didn't let it go through the first time!!! |
| daved | mmmmm - i think the original is fair too .... i thought the approval thing was only supposed to stop new guys getting ripped off (emphasis on ripped off! - trades will always favour one way or the other at a point in time) - seems some people are perhaps a bit harsher judging ... maybe it should be changed to a marjority thing rather than all 3 people have to approve? |
| houndy | i thought that trade before the rejection was fair |
| leeroy | me either darko.... dunno what to say really i should have pulled the pin. but whatever my team stinks anyway why not even more |
| darko | What a rip off. I cant believe spurs had to give that much up just to get it to pass. |
| leeroy | my original offer of beaubois,pekovic, atl 1st for wes i felt was fair was shut down... howevr i was getting desperate for a SG prospect... right now this trade is not great.. IF and its a big if, wes can become what he was touted as then im happy to get him.. if he continues on this path i got smashed but some other gm's way overrate where hes at and i really wanted him |
| leeroy | i tried to give less but the trades were getting rejected |
| daved | mmmmm ... perhaps spurs didn't need to give that much? |
| dazman32 | I agree, nice trade by Houston |
| Mavs4Life | A good trade for Houston IMO. They get two great young guys and another 1st rounder, even if it may end up being low. |
| leeroy | moved on and going to let sleeping dogs lie mate.... plus as someone put it to me i did a favor to a horrible team... that's my good deed for the season :) |
| greenmig | so this one is all good now? |
| dazman32 | Yeah i know man, not having a go at all. Ive been caught in this trap on many occasions, getting set on having a guy come to my team, only for the other gm to change there mind and ask for more. Its a negotiating tactic for the more experienced that usually works on me to my detriment.
Unfortunately in this case, you had a panel of judges kind of doing the same thing on behalf of a rookie gm, when its supposed to be about only making sure the rookie isn't getting screwed, not about them getting the absolute best deal they can. Still if Atlanta go very well this year, and Houston are again near the bottom, those draft picks wont be that far apart and this deal will suddenly look more even by seasons end. Don't write your team off just yet mate, id take your roster over many others any day of the week. |
| leeroy | Daz as I said in hindsight I should have canned it . I'm more pissed at the fact that someone made it sound like hou was getting ripped off in the 1 st deal when clearly from the response from the league he wasn't ... The instructions clearly state that only reject it if it's a blatant rip off... And no the gm hasnt got onto me about it yet but fuck it kinda just want the season to start so I can start working towards my top 3 pick |
| dazman32 | People rate players and trades differently, maybe you got a bunch of gm's who love Wes. Still, it doesn't mean you have to completely overpay in a deal, you didn't have to offer this. If you felt the other one was fair you shouldn't have gone any higher and just broke of negotiations. |
| smokey | I don't think anyone is trying to say that the system is in place to favour all the new gm's at all... the whole point people are trying to get across is that the first deal was completely fair and that there was no need for it to get rejected which in turn meant SA had to go and offer MORE to get Wes Johnson... i just hope the person who rejected it has had a chat to SA about the whole situataion, because even if it was another vet GM in the league that made this trade with HOU the same reaction would have came! |
| pennywise | I dont think u can say they all favor new gms. Everyone was giving me a hard time over my favors trade. I had to push to get trade to go through. But I can see why rule is in place. Some newer owners may not fully grasp the system, and could hurt team for long term |
| leeroy | Think that discussion is next door darko |
| darko | Atlanta does look good, being in the east, they could very well be in the lottery because there are so many good teams. Which also means a shot at a top 3 pick. |
| daved | the instructions are pretty clear that it should only be rejected if it is a total rip off for the newbie - it says it about 3 times - it wasn't a rip off .... sure wes is potentially the best player involved, but it wasn't a rip off ..... and yeah, the potential for a gm to reject it to get their own deal is possible - which may suggest changing it to a majority thing rather no one reject it |
| smokey | I think some people were over rating wes... roddy is averaging pretty much the exact same numbers as him in the NBA and Roddy is coming off the bench. these guys are just full of potential and that's it at the moment. maybe badwolf is right too about giving the control back to the league? and what leeroy said that it would be easy for a GM to can a deal if he was going for the same player that one of the teams is trading.. |
| smokey | I think some people were over rating wes... roddy is averaging pretty much the exact same numbers as him in the NBA and Roddy is coming off the bench. these guys are just full of potential and that's it at the moment. maybe badwolf is right too about giving the control back to the league? and what leeroy said that it would be easy for a GM to can a deal if he was going for the same player that one of the teams is trading.. |
| leeroy | that's what we were sent for the first deal.....which to me makes it sound like a total rip off... that's why id like to have a chat to whoever sent it out of public obviously.... now like i said i should have canned it but talking to another gm about my 1st deal he also made it sound like i was ripping Houston..... it kinda sucks because what if a deal is sent to a gm that is going for the player your trading for?? very easy for someone to make up a speil and can the deal... |
| leeroy | No to this trade as is. It may be tweaked but I don't really see it happening. Houston is giving up way too much for a young star and although Roddy is good and a 1st LOOKS good, it doesn't compare to Wes' ability. The first rounder will most likely be a mid-to-late pick anyway. Definitely not good for Houston. |
| badwolf | what were the reasons stated for the rejection of the first deal? |
| badwolf | i was talking with PHX the other day... the only way a trade with a rookie gm gets approved through new system is if its a total rip off for them... like this one is... jerebko for wes would be fair tbh, adding beaubois and 1st is just overkill.. i'm in favour of some tweaks in the system or just giving it back to the league FO |
| leeroy | Just wondering who rejected the first deal... wouldn't mind having a chat and picking their brain... |
| greenmig | good to see a new GM get a break. but yer I agree, SA gave alot. be interesting to see who the judges where on this one... |
| smokey | Agree. Wes is busting at the moment in the nba! He is full of POTENTIAL! And roddy is exactly the same. They both have the same amount of potential. Roddy will start as soon as Kidd retires! Still baffles me to see how this was rejected. The original doesn rip of either team!!! Maybe daved is right we need to reconsider the system! |
| houndy | Basically, Beaubois and Johnson are about equal imo, Peko is pretty good, and you get the 1st rounder. It's sorta odd why it was rejected... |
| smokey | Totally agree! This offer is way too much! The original offer was fine. I would really like to know who rejected it and for them to give a reason why they didn't let it go through the first time!!! |
| daved | mmmmm - i think the original is fair too .... i thought the approval thing was only supposed to stop new guys getting ripped off (emphasis on ripped off! - trades will always favour one way or the other at a point in time) - seems some people are perhaps a bit harsher judging ... maybe it should be changed to a marjority thing rather than all 3 people have to approve? |
| houndy | i thought that trade before the rejection was fair |
| leeroy | me either darko.... dunno what to say really i should have pulled the pin. but whatever my team stinks anyway why not even more |
| darko | What a rip off. I cant believe spurs had to give that much up just to get it to pass. |
| leeroy | my original offer of beaubois,pekovic, atl 1st for wes i felt was fair was shut down... howevr i was getting desperate for a SG prospect... right now this trade is not great.. IF and its a big if, wes can become what he was touted as then im happy to get him.. if he continues on this path i got smashed but some other gm's way overrate where hes at and i really wanted him |
| leeroy | i tried to give less but the trades were getting rejected |
| daved | mmmmm ... perhaps spurs didn't need to give that much? |
| dazman32 | I agree, nice trade by Houston |
| Mavs4Life | A good trade for Houston IMO. They get two great young guys and another 1st rounder, even if it may end up being low. |
| greenmig | I saw Eddy - he looks skinny!! this could be a steal, he's still only 29yrs old |
| Loose89 | Well i didnt know i could until now... thanks! lol. Yea its always good when someone can turn themselves around like that, i hope he can finish off his career with some solid numbers and a ring or two. |
| smokey | will hopefully keep playing in the NBA... from all reports the guy got up to about 400lbs... good on him for getting back into shape and back in an NBA uniform though.. Loose you should have just bid on him without actually putting any GM points on him atleast then you whould have had a chance to sign him, and even if you didn't win, you don't lose any GM points!! :-) |
| Loose89 | I had my eye on him for a while... just couldnt risk losing anymore GMP's :( |
| juvenile404 | He debuted against the Lakers and looked pretty decent. |
| magritte | he is playing right now in the nba |
| vt | someone who will never, ever play? |
| magritte | I had 3 GM points on him then I took them back - augh! I would have had him, and sadly enough, I kinda need someone like Curry! |
| greenmig | big brian finally finds a home.. |
| vt | Still wondering what this was all about... |
| nick | Fair trade. |
| magritte | Has he seen his roster? He's one of the richest there is with that lineup!!! |
| vt | and why isn't LAL saying stuff about the rich getting richer? |
| magritte | How come Dert isn't calling this shady? Haha! |
| vt | Still wondering what this was all about... |
| nick | Fair trade. |
| magritte | Has he seen his roster? He's one of the richest there is with that lineup!!! |
| vt | and why isn't LAL saying stuff about the rich getting richer? |
| magritte | How come Dert isn't calling this shady? Haha! |
| pennywise | that sux:/ |
| darko | awesome, i trade for orton, then they decline his option. If i would have known that i would have rather kept my 2nd rounder. :/ |
| pennywise | that sux:/ |
| darko | awesome, i trade for orton, then they decline his option. If i would have known that i would have rather kept my 2nd rounder. :/ |
| pennywise | sweet...He will find some minutes over here...we may have another trade in the works also... |
| darko | The previous owner traded Battier and Yi for billups and Evans, now you get Yi back for free. LOL |
| greenmig | Nice, this guy is an NLL Champion and a monster in big games...he will serve you well |
| pennywise | damn....2 free agents in one offseason...and they said it couldn't be done:) |
| greenmig | geez im confused...;) |
| leeroy | yep so for clarity if bogut plays 2 games in the nba for the rest of the season no conditional picks.... if he does not then ATL can swap 1st rounders with SA next season if he chooses not to then 2013-2014 draft atl and sa will swap 1st's if sa is a higher pick. if atl has a higher 1st then SA 1st for ATL 2nd |
| houndy | and if his picks are higher than mine, i have the abilito to swap his 1st rounder for my 2nd |
| houndy | new conditional: If bogut misses the rest of the year, ATL can swap 1st rounders with SAS no matter the position of each team. ATL has the option to do it the next year |
| pennywise | did you see the injury? I don't see Bogut playing this season |
| leeroy | My understanding was if he misses over 50 games through injury it was a 1st in 13/14 now this is where it might get tricky he's played 12 missed 4 for personal reasons that means he sits out the rest of the season that's right on 50 :/ |
| houndy | If Bogut misses 40 or 50+ (leeroy can verify) games I get a first rounder |
| vt | So what was the conditional pick in this one again? |
| greenmig | geez im confused...;) |
| leeroy | yep so for clarity if bogut plays 2 games in the nba for the rest of the season no conditional picks.... if he does not then ATL can swap 1st rounders with SA next season if he chooses not to then 2013-2014 draft atl and sa will swap 1st's if sa is a higher pick. if atl has a higher 1st then SA 1st for ATL 2nd |
| houndy | and if his picks are higher than mine, i have the abilito to swap his 1st rounder for my 2nd |
| houndy | new conditional: If bogut misses the rest of the year, ATL can swap 1st rounders with SAS no matter the position of each team. ATL has the option to do it the next year |
| pennywise | did you see the injury? I don't see Bogut playing this season |
| leeroy | My understanding was if he misses over 50 games through injury it was a 1st in 13/14 now this is where it might get tricky he's played 12 missed 4 for personal reasons that means he sits out the rest of the season that's right on 50 :/ |
| houndy | If Bogut misses 40 or 50+ (leeroy can verify) games I get a first rounder |
| vt | So what was the conditional pick in this one again? |
| greenmig | yer i blew 35gm's on butler and got a donut, so maybe this is karma's way of paying me back :).....dont hate the player, hate the system lol...cheers, greenmig |
| greenmig | *soon |
| greenmig | Wow sorry fellas, wtf they all signed with me....ill be home film and release 2 ASAP....crazy stuff....peace, Greenmig. |
| daved | tbh I don't know if there is any easy way to make this better .... i was gonna throw 10 gm pts at Gee cos i really wanted a SF, but I thought someone would have thrown heaps more at him and i would have wasted em :( |
| dazman32 | You were second in line for Gee there Loose, 5 gm points would have nabbed him. |
| Loose89 | I bid on all of the players here hoping to get one :/ |
| pennywise | maybe 2 at each position, but 1 projected high bid and a less wanted guy at same position....I know I hadn't put a bid in for like 4 days before bidding on both redd and gee |
| daved | having said all this - i can understand why a single team bids on 4 players of the same type, because it can be so f'n hard to get anyone! |
| darko | would make more sense to have maybe 5 new players at a time one at each position. |
| dazman32 | Gee ain't nothing special. Don't understand the love for him. LA is just a revolving door of free agents at the moment. |
| pennywise | maybe just change the timing on some players....gee and redd at same time, most ppl are gonna try for both, hoping to get 1 of them. |
| daved | wowsers! - I assume some scraps will get thrown back on hte heaps soon ... I think this is a bit of a flaw in the FA thing - the better players is calculated at the time the bid is made - but there's no way 4 of the same type of player would sign with a team at the same time |
| darko | thanks for taking all the shooting guards in one swoop. -_- |
| leeroy | Looks great for Jazz but I bet greenmig has a plan... 6th man of the year anyone??? |
| WALLrus | great deal 4 utah |
| smokey | good trade for the future with Jordan. i think bibby is useless, and salmons is on the decline.. good trade for the next couple of years for LA, will be interesting to see what direction greeny takes with the team after Garnett is finished! :) |
| pennywise | I gotta say, this trade definitely favors the Jazz |
| laddas | Brilliant piece of business for the jazz! |
| houndy | Great trade fr the Jazz |
| dazman32 | The rookie gm's are learning quickly it seems |
| magritte | Wow! Great deal for the JAzz in my opinion!!!!!! |
| leeroy | Looks great for Jazz but I bet greenmig has a plan... 6th man of the year anyone??? |
| WALLrus | great deal 4 utah |
| smokey | good trade for the future with Jordan. i think bibby is useless, and salmons is on the decline.. good trade for the next couple of years for LA, will be interesting to see what direction greeny takes with the team after Garnett is finished! :) |
| pennywise | I gotta say, this trade definitely favors the Jazz |
| laddas | Brilliant piece of business for the jazz! |
| houndy | Great trade fr the Jazz |
| dazman32 | The rookie gm's are learning quickly it seems |
| magritte | Wow! Great deal for the JAzz in my opinion!!!!!! |
| vt | Thank god for gluttony...looks like no rondo or barea for me for week 1. |
| nick | Haha! |
| darko | Next thing you know, West is having sex with manu ginobili's mom. |
| nick | West signs with contenders in real life too... *shrug* |
| vt | man, that's the cauldron calling the kettle black. |
| greenmig | sheer gluttony... |
| vt | He will remain a C next season. |
| badwolf | very strange... but he's an automatic resign if someone picks him up as he's automatically an A in loyalty? or is he a C till he gets resigned, which will be to late? |
| vt | Not this one....PHO turned this one down. |
| daved | i just realised these were all forced by the nba .... didn't they trade for pondexter in the nba? why then decline his option? i guess maybe the trade was to get rid of money??? |
| daved | its still best to take up team options on young cheap players (emphasis on cheap) - would make them more easily traded also |
| magritte | i'd love him, but don't have much to offer |
| pennywise | he just doesn't get any pt here in Phoenix...we would be willing to offer him up in a trade. Somewhere he would be better utilized |
| royal | Finally a FA comes to Detroit! |
| Loose89 | Yesss Charlotte finally lands a FA |
| leeroy | Oh there it is I knew I was doing something wrong |
| magritte | The Rhino missed playing for me!!! I get them all hookers. It's a skill! |
| leeroy | yeah Boyd must have some sort of 'gift' to get all these guys to come to OKC |
| dunadan | damn you OKC. not again! ;) |
| daved | ohhhh .... was that the same with pondexter? |
| pennywise | oh, damn that sux |
| vt | It wasn't HOU's decision. He was declined in the NBA which means automatic decline here in the NLL. |
| pennywise | I'll take him!!! |
| magritte | Does this surprise anyone else? Although he has been mediocre in the NBA, he's cheap and good in the NLL.... |
| pennywise | well, just wait until my Central division preview(note shameless plug) is released!! I'm offended, by the way. I go to all that effort to get hot team cheerleaders in the SW preview, and I only get 2 comments about them......very disappointing guys... |
| proid | Wake me up when there is something more interesting to read besides an argument over Brian Cardinal. By the way that blue marble with the cat eye swirl is mine. |
| pennywise | And I'm thinking I'm a have not...but to me, half the fun of a league like this is to create a great team.... |
| pennywise | wow...lots of pent up tension and aggression...one thing is pretty obvious....Everyone is ready for the regular season...gotta get some of those frustrations on the court in meaningful games!!! |
| magritte | I am confused. In this scenario, am I one of the haves getting more? The best free agent I have signed was Shelden Williams and I spent 10 GM points to get him. Dave spent 10 GM points on West. If Charlotte had offered 10, he would have gone there instead. Is Charlotte a have too? I am confused about what the argument against the system is? Do we want just random selection? |
| greenmig | Mate I'm just stating facts, he is the one getting all ugly and taking cheap shots at me and other gm's re: trades etc. But, when I point out one simple fact he gets all defensive and begins a barrage of personal attacks. I really dont mind about the system or how good the team is but I do take offense to the smug attitude - I dont do "one way streets" to well mate, I'm sorry". I stand up and call it how I see it, by calling a spade a spade as we do over here in Aus. I'm not sugar coating it. Numbers dont lie. $74.2M is $74.2M. |
| nick | Greeny don't blame the system structure on dave just because he has an awesome team... give the guy some credit... his team is good because he is an experienced GM that has made smart moves consistently for like 7 years lol... i think it's pretty unfair to make out like dave is bending the rules to suit him or something, when all he does is constant moneyless work for the betterment of the overall league... |
| greenmig | wait? threats? where did i threaten you? you whined about ME waiving one guy. i replied - you accused me of having a team as good as yours. i proved you incorrect. you then accused me of jealousy and implied I was a sore loser. Why should I tolerate you throwing your weight around, all I am doing is pointing out facts - and you cant handle the truth. So now you pull rank on me - rofl good example bro. feel free to talk offline but lets keep it real hey? |
| vt | I sign ONE guy and suddenly I'm cheating, etc. I will not tolerate threats though. We can talk about this off a public forum. |
| greenmig | yup keep on trying to send this off-topic richey rich. clear sign of guilt. unfortunate...be best you just lay low I would say... |
| vt | Sure thing, Mr. 50. |
| greenmig | keep defending yourself and sending out personal attacks - it just sounds guilty... |
| greenmig | definitely not as sweet as the ones you're feasting on big boy...you're setting a top example keep it up. mr $74.2M. |
| vt | And i wouldn't have signed him if Rondo, Manu, Carter and Barea weren't all dealing with some sort of injury. Let suffering teams like HOU and CHA complain, from you it just feels whiny. |
| vt | Greeny- those grapes must taste REALLY sour tonight. |
| greenmig | Wait so we're comparing my team to yours here - where you just signed Delonte West as your 3rd string pg? rofl you serious? Where do we start, most of your team starts in the NBA. 14 of 15 guys play over 17mins per game in the NBA. Your backup 5 is probably a better starting 5 than mine and half the league lol. C-Asik, PF-Smith, SF-Carter, SG-Fields, PG-Barea/West. Dude you are delusional. I would keep a low profile if I was you and just let us peasants fight over the scraps such as Cardinal and such while you feast like a king lol. |
| vt | How so, Greeny? I'm not making any noise about the rich getting richer while having one of the top teams in the league. |
| greenmig | Like Magritte did, I bid on many cos I haven't been successful in filling my roster up until now, only to this time land 4 guys at once and go over...so had to release to maintain 15 max as per the rules. |
| pennywise | What is with the FA signing only to be released...this seems to be a trend as this is the 3rd or so player that this has happened to so far. |
| greenmig | well spotted Mr $74.2M, you must live in a glass mansion...*cough* ;) |
| vt | To make matters worse....quoted from the below TRENDING where BOYD SIGNED AND WAIVED THE SAME GUY! "greenmig 01/23 01:03 am lame.." The stones are hitting the glass house now. |
| greenmig | rofl... |
| vt | This poor guy.... |
| daved | ok - hornets have now achieved their superstar play quota - championship here we come |
| tmacf13 | Everyone but Boyd. |
| WALLrus | everyone does |
| jaz | I heart Greivis |
| WALLrus | yes i do, i can sign a min player no matter what my cap situation is, so i should have saved my MLE so if i wanted to use it on a non min player during the year i can |
| vt | Ezra- do you understand why using your MLE here was the wrong thing? |
| vt | He WAS minimum. |
| darko | If he was a minimum contract player he would be able to be signed over the cap without using the MLE |
| WALLrus | i understand, i needed a back up PG, i only had 1, i wanted 2 make sure i signed carter |
| vt | I really wish these new guys understood the rules. I explained all in that forum post. What a waste! |
| royal | The Man, The Myth, The Legend! Shame that I missed on him, aparently I have 5 better players than him, but everybody knows Scal is the best. |
| nick | THE WHITE MAMBA! may aswell give the championship trophy to the kings now. |
| Mavs4Life | Niiiiiice. |
| nick | Lol dave d hates the FA process.. |
| daved | FA is a bitch - you get no one, so you bid on multiple dudes - then u get em all |
| greenmig | lame.. |
| nick | Lol... OKC beat out a bunch of teams for cardinal only to release him |
| dazman32 | Yeah lol, got 2 guys that the radio boys said not to get |
| laddas | have fun with this guy :P |
| juvenile404 | Ehh, I wanted Wilkins and so I got him. He's played in 15 games for Detroit so far and averages 15 MPG. He's a back-up SG on a team that really isn't that deep on the wing. If one guys goes down for Detroit Wilkins will be seeing some major time. |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's getting time with the Pistons. |
| nick | 10 gm pts? Is wilkins even playing in the nba right now? lol |
| darko | Yeah thats odd. He would have won him even without the gm points. But im pretty sure wilkins isnt worth 1 gm point. |
| houndy | 10 gm points? |
| houndy | lol, made me have a stronger 5 and laddas a stronger bench |
| laddas | Though after checking out the team rankings, this deal did round out my team a heck of a lot better. |
| laddas | spot on nick ;) |
| nick | I agree with badwolf here. In terms of 2k, atlanta just lost 3 "nothing" players for a starter who i would think still has plenty in the tank (skinny athletes age well in sports), rip hamilton who is a genuine threat. Orlando also lose a shitload of gm pts. I doubt orlando would have done this if he didn't need the roster fillers. But really, it's a fine deal for both teams. |
| badwolf | is it? i like it much more for atlanta. If Rip is healthy he's the best player here, by far. We'll have to seriously consider atlanta in the East. Orlando, whho head one of the best starting fives in the east, is just a bit less intimidating. |
| magritte | Great deal for Orlando! |
| houndy | lol, made me have a stronger 5 and laddas a stronger bench |
| laddas | Though after checking out the team rankings, this deal did round out my team a heck of a lot better. |
| laddas | spot on nick ;) |
| nick | I agree with badwolf here. In terms of 2k, atlanta just lost 3 "nothing" players for a starter who i would think still has plenty in the tank (skinny athletes age well in sports), rip hamilton who is a genuine threat. Orlando also lose a shitload of gm pts. I doubt orlando would have done this if he didn't need the roster fillers. But really, it's a fine deal for both teams. |
| badwolf | is it? i like it much more for atlanta. If Rip is healthy he's the best player here, by far. We'll have to seriously consider atlanta in the East. Orlando, whho head one of the best starting fives in the east, is just a bit less intimidating. |
| magritte | Great deal for Orlando! |
| forrest | hahaha that's not weird at all |
| tmacf13 | haha creepy |
| dazman32 | Maybe me rubbing his feet and telling him how well he played after every game made him uncomfortable or something |
| vt | I dunno...but he did try to escape from you once before. |
| dazman32 | Lol, did get a laugh out of the front page. Am i supposed to be Nelly in that picture? |
| dazman32 | Now you have my 2 favorite players. Wanna swap rosters? |
| tmacf13 | He will start for me when healthy |
| dazman32 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| magritte | Hand me the trophy now - the difference-maker has landed!!!! |
| darko | Damn, GM points steal another SF from me. -_- |
| pennywise | dunleavy isn't as strong defensively, but he has more upside. Battier is past his prime, but dunleavy looks like hes close to hitting his stride as a scorer |
| daved | Unfortuantely he and Battier fell on the same day - the system we have forces you to pick one or the other if you don't have space for both - I went for Battier cos I thought he suited my team better ... missed out - probably would have missed both |
| pennywise | I bid on him, but it was a matter of crappy record last season...Geez, good thing Phoenix got their administrative heads out their arses and hired me!!! |
| vt | yeah i think a lot of people were scared off by his injury history. good pickup, when he gets right. |
| forrest | Thanks! |
| pennywise | nice pickup...I think hes a solid option when healthy |
| magritte | I thought the Carter deal was a big mistake. However, after making that deal, Battier makes a lot of sense, since he really doesn't have a SF of starting caliber. He currently has Jamison at SF, which won't work, so I think this was smart. |
| WALLrus | well, with my other bids i was biding between 15 and 20 on players with a similar number of bids, i felt like it was better 2 bid more so they wouldn't go 2 waist, plus i think shakes contract is a good price and length for what I'm trying 2 do |
| greenmig | Geez fair suck of the sav , at least the bloke is having a crack....better than an inactive or no gm...good on ya GS top work !! |
| nick | I remember when i was a new gm, during FA you see everybody signing FA's and it makes you want to get involved and pick up a player too. I sense that's the case here. |
| dazman32 | Compiling assets to exchange for picks later? that was my reasoning for getting brand |
| vt | I mean he traded away Vince Carter b.c he was old and the team was rebuilding but then jettisons Beasley for Jamison and pays 28 pts for Battier? He's just making moves with no rhyme or reason now. |
| vt | This makes no sense whatsoever. |
| leeroy | Not my idea of a good way for a rebuilding team to spend 28 points..... At least he's good on 2k ..trade bait later on maybe? |
| dazman32 | Its ironic, i was trying to get Golden State to take on Childress so i could bid on Battier, instead he bids on him and wins. I was thinking of bidding 15-20 if i had the space for what its worth. |
| forrest | wow 28 gm points for Shane Battier |
| darko | Wow i would have had Battier and Dunleavy if not for GM points. :( |
| darko | What happened? He signed Petro and waived AJ Price. But now price is back on his team? Was someone else waived? |
| darko | He signed for a ring! Cavs in 2012! |
| nick | It's cos you only had 1 better player. So technically Tmac signed with cavs for playing time. |
| alejandro | WTF!? I almost didnt bid on him |
| Mavs4Life | I hope he didn't sell his house in HOU lol |
| houndy | lol, he took his tour through Texas |
| vt | Lol- Fisher goes from DAL to SA to HOU. The stars at night... |
| Mavs4Life | I hope he didn't sell his house in HOU lol |
| houndy | lol, he took his tour through Texas |
| vt | Lol- Fisher goes from DAL to SA to HOU. The stars at night... |
| magritte | I like the blame!!!! Haha - when I said he was a sleeper, I meant that he was worth bidding on, not actually putting GM points on - Alonzo Gee might get 80 GM points at this rate! |
| houndy | lololol |
| nick | Not blaming you. I just wonder if it had an affect?? |
| vt | Don't blame us! And yeah- 25 GM pts for this guy is obscene. |
| dazman32 | Is the number 25 jersey free at Boston? |
| nick | Wow, overrated? The dude plays a couple of decent games in the NBA and he gets 25 GM pts thrown at him. I wonder if he would've gotten that if the radio boys didn't talk about him...? |
| greenmig | The rich get richer, the poor get the picture.... |
| daved | i'm just glad I didn't bother trying to get him in the end and waste GM pts on him ... chris wilcox is where its at man!!! |
| dunadan | jamal is likely to be a one year rental. even if he wants to come back, denver most likely wont be able to afford him, since he should be commanding more then the mle next year. |
| leeroy | yeah tough break Dare.... probably need to heed VT's advice at this point and try make some 2 or 3 for 1 deals to make sure you hit that 13 player mark |
| dare | I need to be alone |
| nick | I DID throw 25 gm pts at crawf... |
| leeroy | I went 35 and 47 and still cant get anywhere near a FA signing... |
| nick | Energy grows where energy flows dave d! Although we should def take win% out of the equation for under 24's next season. |
| vt | Yeah, but HOU had the worst NLL record in the history of the league, which makes it even harder. |
| daved | FA is always a bitch ... bad teams always struggle to get anyone |
| nick | Chuffed! I got my guy. Well that's me out for the FA period. Peace out! |
| vt | HOU- your record was really bad last season...you are probably better off trading this year than getting guys via free agency. But this makes sense- think of a guy like Jamal Crawford...would he want to play for a playoff-caliber team or a rebuilding team? I suggest trading your vets (ie Marion) and start rebuilding. |
| dare | I don't know what to say... |
| dunadan | but patterson will have moved on by then for sure :) |
| nick | I like the deal for San Antonio... Patterson has the most upside of the players in the deal, and should be a solid starter some day. |
| leeroy | Not trying to trade him... Trying to give him away |
| Mavs4Life | Don't trade him let him play for all 3 Texas teams lol |
| leeroy | I forgot to mention best offer gets fisher and I mean ANY offer |
| magritte | I think Was wins this one. Harrington is best player in the deal! |
| badwolf | was is welcome to sell him back to me :D |
| badwolf | well, i had 20 players and would be over the tax and SA wanted him out of maggette/miller/harrington. he's 14ppg this year on 55% at 6-7M, not bad |
| vt | i would think harrington's deal is bad, mil. you were eager to move it. |
| badwolf | harrington is playing great in NBA now, he's far from a bad contract, sessions is an upgrade over Fisher. If Was is in a win now mode, then it's a solid deal for them, but they really shouldn't be with all the superstrong teams in the east. Solid deal for a rebuilding SA, PP is a bit down this year, but has a lot of potential |
| leeroy | Fisher is available :D |
| vt | I do think SA should shop Fisher though.... |
| vt | Interesting deal.....DAL is the clear winner by getting an upgrade at PG and not giving up much. SA gets Harrington's horrible contract off his books, get a decent backup PG and a young guy for it. Not sure what WAS is doing since they already have Blatche, but Harrington is still a good player....just a terrible contract. |
| dunadan | but patterson will have moved on by then for sure :) |
| nick | I like the deal for San Antonio... Patterson has the most upside of the players in the deal, and should be a solid starter some day. |
| leeroy | Not trying to trade him... Trying to give him away |
| Mavs4Life | Don't trade him let him play for all 3 Texas teams lol |
| leeroy | I forgot to mention best offer gets fisher and I mean ANY offer |
| magritte | I think Was wins this one. Harrington is best player in the deal! |
| badwolf | was is welcome to sell him back to me :D |
| badwolf | well, i had 20 players and would be over the tax and SA wanted him out of maggette/miller/harrington. he's 14ppg this year on 55% at 6-7M, not bad |
| vt | i would think harrington's deal is bad, mil. you were eager to move it. |
| badwolf | harrington is playing great in NBA now, he's far from a bad contract, sessions is an upgrade over Fisher. If Was is in a win now mode, then it's a solid deal for them, but they really shouldn't be with all the superstrong teams in the east. Solid deal for a rebuilding SA, PP is a bit down this year, but has a lot of potential |
| leeroy | Fisher is available :D |
| vt | I do think SA should shop Fisher though.... |
| vt | Interesting deal.....DAL is the clear winner by getting an upgrade at PG and not giving up much. SA gets Harrington's horrible contract off his books, get a decent backup PG and a young guy for it. Not sure what WAS is doing since they already have Blatche, but Harrington is still a good player....just a terrible contract. |
| dunadan | but patterson will have moved on by then for sure :) |
| nick | I like the deal for San Antonio... Patterson has the most upside of the players in the deal, and should be a solid starter some day. |
| leeroy | Not trying to trade him... Trying to give him away |
| Mavs4Life | Don't trade him let him play for all 3 Texas teams lol |
| leeroy | I forgot to mention best offer gets fisher and I mean ANY offer |
| magritte | I think Was wins this one. Harrington is best player in the deal! |
| badwolf | was is welcome to sell him back to me :D |
| badwolf | well, i had 20 players and would be over the tax and SA wanted him out of maggette/miller/harrington. he's 14ppg this year on 55% at 6-7M, not bad |
| vt | i would think harrington's deal is bad, mil. you were eager to move it. |
| badwolf | harrington is playing great in NBA now, he's far from a bad contract, sessions is an upgrade over Fisher. If Was is in a win now mode, then it's a solid deal for them, but they really shouldn't be with all the superstrong teams in the east. Solid deal for a rebuilding SA, PP is a bit down this year, but has a lot of potential |
| leeroy | Fisher is available :D |
| vt | I do think SA should shop Fisher though.... |
| vt | Interesting deal.....DAL is the clear winner by getting an upgrade at PG and not giving up much. SA gets Harrington's horrible contract off his books, get a decent backup PG and a young guy for it. Not sure what WAS is doing since they already have Blatche, but Harrington is still a good player....just a terrible contract. |
| dazman32 | If I had space I'd sign him straight away, then trade him to fill my need |
| vt | Yeah, someone needs to sign Dre! |
| darko | I dont need a PG, i need a SF. Garcia has solid shooting and defensive ratings. Averaged 16 ppg last year as a starter, and he seems to be getting minutes in the NBA now. I also had 15 mil, and amnesty left so i can take a risk this season. |
| dazman32 | Garcia ahead of Andre Miller? |
| greenmig | And the evil empire strikes again.... |
| badwolf | haha, let's test this theory :D |
| dazman32 | Remember people, whatever MIL offers you for your 1st round pick, i will beat it ;) |
| badwolf | i was kinda surprised how quickly this was over |
| dazman32 | Damn should have known, I would have gone to 25 |
| badwolf | well, mavs4live has 80 gm points, time to put that to work |
| badwolf | well, mavs4live has 80 gm points, time to put that to work |
| houndy | He's worth 60, not 20 ;0 |
| badwolf | steam is not worth 20 points... |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah I heard, but I'm 100 % sure he's going after Steam with those points lol |
| badwolf | it's 1st round pick deal |
| Mavs4Life | 22, I'll take 25, 25 GM points for Greg Stiensma! lol |
| leeroy | Sounds like mil will be busting some knee caps later on when payment tie comes |
| greenmig | And the evil empire strikes again.... |
| badwolf | haha, let's test this theory :D |
| dazman32 | Remember people, whatever MIL offers you for your 1st round pick, i will beat it ;) |
| badwolf | i was kinda surprised how quickly this was over |
| dazman32 | Damn should have known, I would have gone to 25 |
| badwolf | well, mavs4live has 80 gm points, time to put that to work |
| badwolf | well, mavs4live has 80 gm points, time to put that to work |
| houndy | He's worth 60, not 20 ;0 |
| badwolf | steam is not worth 20 points... |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah I heard, but I'm 100 % sure he's going after Steam with those points lol |
| badwolf | it's 1st round pick deal |
| Mavs4Life | 22, I'll take 25, 25 GM points for Greg Stiensma! lol |
| leeroy | Sounds like mil will be busting some knee caps later on when payment tie comes |
| daved | miller should definitely be signed by someone if they need a PG - he can contribute in the NLL and is only 1yr .... signing FAs is hard, you need to get something |
| greenmig | guys with heaps of cash should be picking up players like miller and hayes imo..i mean why have cap space? its there to be used. look at the top teams they all have the highest payrolls. u need talent to win even if its expensive. |
| pennywise | have you seen what redick has done over the past year or so...I think this is a good role player for me. I'm not gonna spend GM points for a 1 year rental in Crawford, I'll have Redick for 2 at least. |
| Mavs4Life | Same here |
| dazman32 | I cant believe Andre Miller and Chuck Hayes haven't been signed yet. |
| leeroy | That's 3 more than last season |
| darko | Cant believe only 3 teams tried to sign redick. |
| Mavs4Life | Now I just feel he went to Cleveland to try and help them get the neccesary players lol |
| greenmig | ohyer I just found this... For each player less than 13 on the team's roster at the end of a week (active & IR): -2 So thats 12pts per week as he currently stands. And he has 10gm pts total. so can you go into minus? |
| greenmig | dont you need to have 13 players on your roster minimum? |
| leeroy | Could be worse dazman.... You could have Gary Neal on him. |
| dazman32 | Oh man, Lebron at SG is going to be a horrible assignment for Kemba if he stays there. |
| magritte | Play LeBron at SG, pick up some min guys, play your starters 40 minutes each and pray for no injuries and you are good to go!!! |
| vt | Heh- now you got two SFs and no bench. My crystal ball says.....5th seed, 2nd round exit. IF everyone remains healthy. |
| alejandro | I swear I was going to be a good boy this year, listen to the radio boyz and spend my points/cap beefing up the bench, but I talked myself into giving the big names/no bench approach one more shot. |
| vt | I was talking about last yr....right now he's got only two guys. The only way I see this team being successful is moving Jefferson for 2-3 players. He won't get enough to win from the FA wire. |
| darko | Ill help his depth by trading a few guys for lebron. |
| smokey | true VT, makes it hard to fill out the roster and get some good depth! although I have Danny Green now from the Parker Deal.. and also isn't Jeremy Lin a FA? |
| Mavs4Life | Hey who knows, the RL 07'S Cavs were sorta worse, they were the NLL Wizards of the NBA. The NLL Cas could still do something. |
| vt | Why CLE will never win it: puts too much money into 3 or 4 starters and then relies on a bench of guys like Danny Green and Jeremy Lin. Only has 7 players now and is only $2mil below the salary cap. |
| vt | And to celebrate his signing with MIL, Brandan Wright goes 1-6 tonight in the NBA. |
| daved | everyone loves cheap |
| nick | Wright has been the most sought after FA so far lol |
| Mavs4Life | There goes Cole Aldrich lol |
| darko | Oh my god we signed someone! |
| nick | I don't see how it's a bad deal for HOU? Davis stinks. He got 15 GM pts for him. |
| smokey | Completely forgot about Stuckey! |
| houndy | what on earth...? |
| vt | Yeah- PHO bid a lot of pts on West...now he has to be careful who else he spends them on. |
| dazman32 | Ah Stuckey, forgot about him. Still, some high risk moves being made by some gm's to land these free agents, a few are going to be disappointed. |
| vt | He has the rights to Stuckey. |
| smokey | extra GM points are always good when you are a big player in the FA Market, however this leaves HOU without a PG, and with only a few good PG's that can start in the FA market, a little bit of a head scratcher for me! |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah looking at the salaries again, he barely loses anything. New decision: Unless Houston makes some mircale, no matter how you hate Davis in rteal life, he's good in 2K. Gonna have to see what happens as the season progresses, but bad on dare for now. |
| dazman32 | Certainly a head scratcher |
| Mavs4Life | Bad trade when you look at it, but I guess Houston wants a few more guys in FA. If not, HOU is gonna be horrible, and either way NJ has high chances of winning the championship. Go Proid! |
| nick | I don't see how it's a bad deal for HOU? Davis stinks. He got 15 GM pts for him. |
| smokey | Completely forgot about Stuckey! |
| houndy | what on earth...? |
| vt | Yeah- PHO bid a lot of pts on West...now he has to be careful who else he spends them on. |
| dazman32 | Ah Stuckey, forgot about him. Still, some high risk moves being made by some gm's to land these free agents, a few are going to be disappointed. |
| vt | He has the rights to Stuckey. |
| smokey | extra GM points are always good when you are a big player in the FA Market, however this leaves HOU without a PG, and with only a few good PG's that can start in the FA market, a little bit of a head scratcher for me! |
| Mavs4Life | Yeah looking at the salaries again, he barely loses anything. New decision: Unless Houston makes some mircale, no matter how you hate Davis in rteal life, he's good in 2K. Gonna have to see what happens as the season progresses, but bad on dare for now. |
| dazman32 | Certainly a head scratcher |
| Mavs4Life | Bad trade when you look at it, but I guess Houston wants a few more guys in FA. If not, HOU is gonna be horrible, and either way NJ has high chances of winning the championship. Go Proid! |
| houndy | it paid off |
| dazman32 | Another for the Caron Butler sweepstakes. Risky move if he doesn't sign. |
| vt | Reminder: "You will not be permitted to complete any transaction that costs GM points if you do not have enough to cover it. This includes signing FA agents, re-trading players and re-signing your own players." |
| javijoe | Thanx guys. Dunno if I dot get the clout GM points get around here but I only ever use them for trades occasionally. They never had any bearing for me in any other way. Do you realize that in the years I've been in this league this is the FIRST time I've used Gm points consciously to win a bid??? Lol. So yuh my 5 left will be quite fine! Lol. Actually, anyone need any? Cos I have 4 too many! Lol. Good luck this season my friends!!!!! |
| greenmig | Congrats Minny! |
| nick | Wow 35 GM pts? Min deserved him. Congrats. I feel sorry for HOU now though. No players seem to want to sign with losing teams unless you spend big GM pts (and if there's playing opportunity and a bit of luck), but now HOU is -20. |
| darko | looks like ill have to sign lewis just to get over 43 mil and avoid gm point penalties. -_- |
| dazman32 | The decision didn't disappoint, some hard luck stories. Surprised Washington didn't bid though. |
| vt | Big gamble and now he's down to 5 GM pts |
| pennywise | arrggghhh....so close!!! |
| Mavs4Life | Least expected choice for me. |
| dazman32 | Yeah thats it, although i thought Summers would count as a PF as well, guess not. |
| darko | well you have seven players that arent even ranked, that helps. |
| dazman32 | Cant believe i keep winning these guys, although im still adamant i wouldn't have had a chance for the big name players. |
| WALLrus | thanks badwolf, i feel like with that setup villanueva and mike miller could b good additional players 2 my young cast if they can stay healthy, plus i feel singleton brings a lot more 2 the defensive side of the ball than parsons |
| badwolf | some questionable trades with the dirsction he's taking, but i like his setup - valanciunas, williams, singleton, his high loto pick, bostons pick. there are a few misses in there to, beasley, vilanueva trades. |
| vt | At this point, I think GS is trading for the sake of trading. It's like giving a little kid a wad of cash and telling him to plan for the future.....heh |
| tmacf13 | Singleton has been the lone bright spot for Washington |
| pennywise | actually Parsons has been killing it in Houston...I give Boston the nod on this one so far. |
| nick | Blockbuster!!! |
| dunadan | both players have shrunk an inch when they were measured by their new teams |
| WALLrus | thanks badwolf, i feel like with that setup villanueva and mike miller could b good additional players 2 my young cast if they can stay healthy, plus i feel singleton brings a lot more 2 the defensive side of the ball than parsons |
| badwolf | some questionable trades with the dirsction he's taking, but i like his setup - valanciunas, williams, singleton, his high loto pick, bostons pick. there are a few misses in there to, beasley, vilanueva trades. |
| vt | At this point, I think GS is trading for the sake of trading. It's like giving a little kid a wad of cash and telling him to plan for the future.....heh |
| tmacf13 | Singleton has been the lone bright spot for Washington |
| pennywise | actually Parsons has been killing it in Houston...I give Boston the nod on this one so far. |
| nick | Blockbuster!!! |
| dunadan | both players have shrunk an inch when they were measured by their new teams |
| daved | the point in time that the MLE is calculated was explained in the forum - i remember cos I was the one who asked, and proid explained it. http://www.nbaliveleague.com/forum/threads.php?boardId=1&threadId=2167 ... but I still think it is flawed to apply the same thing to NLL for reasons I said earlier |
| badwolf | the thing to take for the future - we have to implement cap holds, at least in some form. Is the rfa loophole closed? Whwn someone released all his players into FA, then had enormous cap space and signed a few of the top free agents and then signed his own fee agents way over cap (and LT imsmr). that isn't possible in nba and shouldnt be possible in nll. Maybe it would be best to just give full mle to all teams and mini mle to those over lt? |
| badwolf | the thing to take for the future - we have to implement cap holds, at least in some form. Is the rfa loophole closed? Whwn someone released all his players into FA, then had enormous cap space and signed a few of the top free agents and then signed his own fee agents way over cap (and LT imsmr). that isn't possible in nba and shouldnt be possible in nll. Maybe it would be best to just give full mle to all teams and mini mle to those over lt? |
| magritte | I was actually $4000 under the cap - son of a bitch!!!!!! Haha, surprising Dert didn't come to my defense....oh that's right, I was probably making one of those 'shady' deals, haha! |
| vt | And yes CLE- I was between the cap and salary cap before we started, which is why I get the $5mil. I think boyd was like $500k below the salary cap...which is why he got the $2.5mi. Anyway, barring an emergency, I have no plans no to use that $5mil. |
| vt | Yes, CLE is 100%. We assign these values BEFORE THE RE-SIGNING STARTS now. So, for example, if I am over the lux next summer right before we start, I will only get the $3mil MLE. |
| dert | oh yeah, youre right alejandro. ill shut up now. |
| alejandro | So I think that teams currently in the lux tax and in possession of the full MLE were not over the lux tax when the MLE was assigned, since we already have the mini-mle rule in place. |
| alejandro | No conspiracy theory needed, since our MLEs are assigned before even resigning our own players and we have no capholds (unlike the NBA) those teams that got the full MLE assigned to them before they resigned some players of their own and went over the threshold and into the lux tax. Anyway, I know not everyone sees it this way, but it seems like such a minor issue to me. |
| dert | http://oi44.tinypic.com/2jfac6h.jpg let me make another prediction... "oh its just an error on the site that somehow has gone unnoticed for a couple of weeks despite someone bringing up the issue more than once." do you understand why i am not afraid to use terms like "bullshit", "turd" and "rule bending" now? |
| vt | Alejandro- "Mid-Level-Exception: Your MLE will depend on your salary situation before the re-signing period begins. If you are under the cap, you will have a $2.5 million MLE to use. If you are between the salary cap and the lux cap, you will have a $5 million MLE. If you are over the luxury cap, you get a $3 million MLE." |
| alejandro | I think under the new NBA CBA, teams over the luxury tax only get the Mini-MLE, maybe the league should consider that. Another issue is cap holds, since we don´t have them, it artificially raises the amount of money every team in the NLL can spend vs the NBA, with extra benefits for those team way over the salary cap. I personally dont think these are huge issues at all, just something to keep in mind. |
| dazman32 | Yeah, saying he is bending the rules is out of line, however the mle discussion is interesting, it does irk me that I have less mle than over the cap teams, but I guess if it's good enough for the NBA then I'm satisfied |
| proid | I don't really see how its bending the rules. This trade was executed using Phi's available TPE (Traded Player Exception) which doesn't have anything to do with a Teams MLE status. Several teams have used their TPE's to acquire players and there hasn't been so much angst about them. With this deal having been reviewed and approved by 3 GM's. Dert, I am not sure why you are having an issue with this trade when you declined to be on the review board. Why come out here and complain now? |
| darko | thats a good point daved. |
| daved | the lux tax penalties just aren't enough in NLL cos its not real ..... and following hte NBA with different MLEs is flawed too becasue the team offering the MLE in the NBA can influence the salary if the player is open to it - but the salaries are fixed in NLL so getting handed a lower MLE rules out any chance of a whole bracket of players - then the teams with the higher MLEs will have another advantage when it comes time for the rashard lewis' etc to drop their salaries |
| greenmig | at $4M very viable! |
| pennywise | oh, and my 2 cents, Vinsanity is still a viable option, should be for at least 2 years. No guarantee you get anything great in the draft....I see lots of owners with rights to players from the 00's...Or you could get the next Greg Oden....82 games played in 4 seasons. He's finally officially played a full season, too bad he's out for this year, and there is no guarantee he will come back next year either. |
| pennywise | I love all the drama!!! and this is before any of the RFA's bidding has finished too:) |
| vt | Pardon....*patterning it after the NBA. |
| vt | Wow, Nostrodamus...that's more than you've written in the last what? Three years combined? I wouldn't call it bending the rules at all. It's playing within the rules we've established aka the more active you are and the more win, the more GM pts you accrue and spend. You can blame us all you want for the amount of money teams get, but we are patterning it after the NLL. And lux tax teams don't get $5mil. They get $3mil. And...oh yes...I still have my full MLE. Sounds like sour grapes to me, bub. |
| magritte | Wow - it's just nice having Dert's venom sprayed at someone else for a change! |
| daved | re: lux tax .... it really doesn't have that much effect in this league cos it isn't real money - if it was monopoly money you could earn each time you pass go in the NBA it'd have less effect too |
| dert | vt, I dont need you to tell me how you are bending the rules because I actually kinda predicted this a couple of weeks ago in the forum. now that there is proof that lux tax teams shouldnt fear the lux tax because they can write their way out, lets focus on why lux tax teams deserve a 5 mil MLE instead of a 2.5 MLE. i mean, lux tax teams already have a high payroll, which probably means they have some talent. so why give them and advantage? thats just the rich getting richer. or should i say the "active gm" getting more "active"? |
| sheed36 | GSW win in long term .. Sixers win for this season.. |
| nick | yep good deal for both teams |
| greenmig | vince is a monster in 2k12 |
| dazman32 | I like this deal for both teams, although Vince is over the hill, he is unreal in 2k12. |
| vt | Well, Dert....since I am "active GM" that means i get GM points. This means I can cover the luxury tax. |
| WALLrus | i needed a big man, and villa will b a good player 4 a couple more years |
| darko | Villa is only 27. Is this too old to rebuild with? Because he traded a 23 year old beasley for 26 year old Fernandez and Gibson. Surely 1 year doesnt make that much of a difference. |
| houndy | Leeroy has a point, i wouldn't have taken on Villa's contract if im rebuilding |
| dert | gee golly how beautifully the lux tax is working. |
| badwolf | this looks good for both teams |
| vt | Agree with Leeroy. |
| leeroy | Don't understand this trade when looking at all the gsw trades so far... Trading away Henry for miller, taking on villanueva's contract. These don't look like rebuilding moves to me. In isolation this trade is good for gsw but in light of all the other moves I don't know |
| vt | Then it sounds like a good deal for us both, since I am not rebuilding. |
| WALLrus | thanks, vince has 1 good season left in him and I'm rebuilding |
| darko | Good deal for Gstate. Vince is past his prime. |
| daved | the point in time that the MLE is calculated was explained in the forum - i remember cos I was the one who asked, and proid explained it. http://www.nbaliveleague.com/forum/threads.php?boardId=1&threadId=2167 ... but I still think it is flawed to apply the same thing to NLL for reasons I said earlier |
| badwolf | the thing to take for the future - we have to implement cap holds, at least in some form. Is the rfa loophole closed? Whwn someone released all his players into FA, then had enormous cap space and signed a few of the top free agents and then signed his own fee agents way over cap (and LT imsmr). that isn't possible in nba and shouldnt be possible in nll. Maybe it would be best to just give full mle to all teams and mini mle to those over lt? |
| badwolf | the thing to take for the future - we have to implement cap holds, at least in some form. Is the rfa loophole closed? Whwn someone released all his players into FA, then had enormous cap space and signed a few of the top free agents and then signed his own fee agents way over cap (and LT imsmr). that isn't possible in nba and shouldnt be possible in nll. Maybe it would be best to just give full mle to all teams and mini mle to those over lt? |
| magritte | I was actually $4000 under the cap - son of a bitch!!!!!! Haha, surprising Dert didn't come to my defense....oh that's right, I was probably making one of those 'shady' deals, haha! |
| vt | And yes CLE- I was between the cap and salary cap before we started, which is why I get the $5mil. I think boyd was like $500k below the salary cap...which is why he got the $2.5mi. Anyway, barring an emergency, I have no plans no to use that $5mil. |
| vt | Yes, CLE is 100%. We assign these values BEFORE THE RE-SIGNING STARTS now. So, for example, if I am over the lux next summer right before we start, I will only get the $3mil MLE. |
| dert | oh yeah, youre right alejandro. ill shut up now. |
| alejandro | So I think that teams currently in the lux tax and in possession of the full MLE were not over the lux tax when the MLE was assigned, since we already have the mini-mle rule in place. |
| alejandro | No conspiracy theory needed, since our MLEs are assigned before even resigning our own players and we have no capholds (unlike the NBA) those teams that got the full MLE assigned to them before they resigned some players of their own and went over the threshold and into the lux tax. Anyway, I know not everyone sees it this way, but it seems like such a minor issue to me. |
| dert | http://oi44.tinypic.com/2jfac6h.jpg let me make another prediction... "oh its just an error on the site that somehow has gone unnoticed for a couple of weeks despite someone bringing up the issue more than once." do you understand why i am not afraid to use terms like "bullshit", "turd" and "rule bending" now? |
| vt | Alejandro- "Mid-Level-Exception: Your MLE will depend on your salary situation before the re-signing period begins. If you are under the cap, you will have a $2.5 million MLE to use. If you are between the salary cap and the lux cap, you will have a $5 million MLE. If you are over the luxury cap, you get a $3 million MLE." |
| alejandro | I think under the new NBA CBA, teams over the luxury tax only get the Mini-MLE, maybe the league should consider that. Another issue is cap holds, since we don´t have them, it artificially raises the amount of money every team in the NLL can spend vs the NBA, with extra benefits for those team way over the salary cap. I personally dont think these are huge issues at all, just something to keep in mind. |
| dazman32 | Yeah, saying he is bending the rules is out of line, however the mle discussion is interesting, it does irk me that I have less mle than over the cap teams, but I guess if it's good enough for the NBA then I'm satisfied |
| proid | I don't really see how its bending the rules. This trade was executed using Phi's available TPE (Traded Player Exception) which doesn't have anything to do with a Teams MLE status. Several teams have used their TPE's to acquire players and there hasn't been so much angst about them. With this deal having been reviewed and approved by 3 GM's. Dert, I am not sure why you are having an issue with this trade when you declined to be on the review board. Why come out here and complain now? |
| darko | thats a good point daved. |
| daved | the lux tax penalties just aren't enough in NLL cos its not real ..... and following hte NBA with different MLEs is flawed too becasue the team offering the MLE in the NBA can influence the salary if the player is open to it - but the salaries are fixed in NLL so getting handed a lower MLE rules out any chance of a whole bracket of players - then the teams with the higher MLEs will have another advantage when it comes time for the rashard lewis' etc to drop their salaries |
| greenmig | at $4M very viable! |
| pennywise | oh, and my 2 cents, Vinsanity is still a viable option, should be for at least 2 years. No guarantee you get anything great in the draft....I see lots of owners with rights to players from the 00's...Or you could get the next Greg Oden....82 games played in 4 seasons. He's finally officially played a full season, too bad he's out for this year, and there is no guarantee he will come back next year either. |
| pennywise | I love all the drama!!! and this is before any of the RFA's bidding has finished too:) |
| vt | Pardon....*patterning it after the NBA. |
| vt | Wow, Nostrodamus...that's more than you've written in the last what? Three years combined? I wouldn't call it bending the rules at all. It's playing within the rules we've established aka the more active you are and the more win, the more GM pts you accrue and spend. You can blame us all you want for the amount of money teams get, but we are patterning it after the NLL. And lux tax teams don't get $5mil. They get $3mil. And...oh yes...I still have my full MLE. Sounds like sour grapes to me, bub. |
| magritte | Wow - it's just nice having Dert's venom sprayed at someone else for a change! |
| daved | re: lux tax .... it really doesn't have that much effect in this league cos it isn't real money - if it was monopoly money you could earn each time you pass go in the NBA it'd have less effect too |
| dert | vt, I dont need you to tell me how you are bending the rules because I actually kinda predicted this a couple of weeks ago in the forum. now that there is proof that lux tax teams shouldnt fear the lux tax because they can write their way out, lets focus on why lux tax teams deserve a 5 mil MLE instead of a 2.5 MLE. i mean, lux tax teams already have a high payroll, which probably means they have some talent. so why give them and advantage? thats just the rich getting richer. or should i say the "active gm" getting more "active"? |
| sheed36 | GSW win in long term .. Sixers win for this season.. |
| nick | yep good deal for both teams |
| greenmig | vince is a monster in 2k12 |
| dazman32 | I like this deal for both teams, although Vince is over the hill, he is unreal in 2k12. |
| vt | Well, Dert....since I am "active GM" that means i get GM points. This means I can cover the luxury tax. |
| WALLrus | i needed a big man, and villa will b a good player 4 a couple more years |
| darko | Villa is only 27. Is this too old to rebuild with? Because he traded a 23 year old beasley for 26 year old Fernandez and Gibson. Surely 1 year doesnt make that much of a difference. |
| houndy | Leeroy has a point, i wouldn't have taken on Villa's contract if im rebuilding |
| dert | gee golly how beautifully the lux tax is working. |
| badwolf | this looks good for both teams |
| vt | Agree with Leeroy. |
| leeroy | Don't understand this trade when looking at all the gsw trades so far... Trading away Henry for miller, taking on villanueva's contract. These don't look like rebuilding moves to me. In isolation this trade is good for gsw but in light of all the other moves I don't know |
| vt | Then it sounds like a good deal for us both, since I am not rebuilding. |
| WALLrus | thanks, vince has 1 good season left in him and I'm rebuilding |
| darko | Good deal for Gstate. Vince is past his prime. |
| vt | "Once a bid is processed, the original has 72hrs to claim this player. During this period, the bidding team will have the money allocated to that player locked. If the free agency period ends and a restricted player is still in the pool, his old team will then have the option whether or not to claim him. If a restricted free agent chooses to return to his former team and he is not signed, he automatically becomes a non-restricted FA. The team who wins a restricted FA bid gets his GM pts back if the player is claimed by his old team. Losing bids do not get their points back." |
| greenmig | if I pay him $10M... |
| royal | so LAL will just get him back, without spending any points? |
| greenmig | dont worry mate, he is already going to get ALOT more than I would like to pay him by signing that $10M offer sheet with DET lol....so we are replicating the owners pain ;) |
| dazman32 | True, however in the NBA the player ends up with a higher salary than what they would normally get because of a rival team trying to make the owner not match, here that's not possible, so the points I guess would try and relicate the matching part |
| greenmig | dazman, I can understand why you would want to 'liven' it up a bit.... but think about it, why would I need to match or outbid his gm pts? remember, im not bidding on him, (ie: gm pts etc), he is under a RESTRICTED contract to me - he is MY player, I own him as per the NLL, (same in the NBA) for the next 72hrs until I decide what to do. to keep him i must match a $$ contract within this time - nothing to do with the bidding process, (including gm pts, team record, # better players, random factor etc). ps: the fact that the winning bidder gets his gm pts back if I match makes gm pts a moot point. pps: any team which is still interested in DeAndre send a msg to my inbox as I am considering a S&T deal. cheers, greenmig |
| dazman32 | Having to match gm points would liven it up |
| daved | LA don't need gm pts - they just decide if they want him or not .... RFAs aren't very exciting in NLL, especially if they have 2+ bird years, it just ends up a question of whether the player is good enough or not cos the salaries are fixed ..... don't know of any way to liven it up a bit tho |
| darko | detroit will get them back if lal matches, no idea about if he has to put up 20 gm points to match. i dont really remember any rule like that before, but then again ive never really had a RFA. |
| dazman32 | I think there's no doubt they will resign, just trying to remember whether they need to match the gm points, and also what will happen to Detroit's 20, i assume they are gone. |
| pennywise | lol....the real question is will LA resign? |
| dazman32 | 20 gm points, refresh my memory, do LA need to spend 20 gm points to match the offer? |
| dunadan | the guy might be a rookie, but he will turn 29 later this month. he's the second oldest player on my team, lol |
| leeroy | must be the Knicks new starting PG seeing they have 0 better players ;) |
| pennywise | Hes a good young player for a great price...he's getting PT here and there.... |
| dazman32 | Wow, didn't expect this. |
| smokey | That's Unlucky!!! poor Magritte, just cant take a break at the moment! |
| vt | Ouch! |
| darko | Spurs guard T.J. Ford has been diagnosed with a longitudinal tear of his left hamstring and is expected to miss four to six weeks. |
| magritte | Of course, he gets hurt last night in NBA! |
| dunadan | really TJ? you wanna get traded in early february? |
| darko | Random factor strikes again, otherwise Ford was going to NY. |
| WALLrus | i was looking for a big who could play big minutes, and i feel Ilyasova is very over rated and i just didn't c gibson playing a big role this year, so i traded to players i was looking to trade 4 a big who is not a top tier big but a 2nd tier big |
| vt | Yeah, i definitely think WAS gets the better end of the deal here. Both players are playing better in the NBA than Charlie V. But if ATL could move Gooden, I am sure someone will take on V at some point if he gets stuck. |
| dunadan | not sure what GS is doing as they keep trading away players. charlie always was a much better NLL than NBA player, but still. and he's been injured most of the time so far this year. |
| WALLrus | i was looking for a big who could play big minutes, and i feel Ilyasova is very over rated and i just didn't c gibson playing a big role this year, so i traded to players i was looking to trade 4 a big who is not a top tier big but a 2nd tier big |
| vt | Yeah, i definitely think WAS gets the better end of the deal here. Both players are playing better in the NBA than Charlie V. But if ATL could move Gooden, I am sure someone will take on V at some point if he gets stuck. |
| dunadan | not sure what GS is doing as they keep trading away players. charlie always was a much better NLL than NBA player, but still. and he's been injured most of the time so far this year. |
| nick | Garcia definitely has fallen out of favour with the kings due to their glut at the wing. |
| pennywise | he isn't getting lots of minutes this year for Sac...I think mostly because they are running with Jimmer, Thomas and evans in a smaller 3 guard set with 2 bigs |
| greenmig | He was last years finals mvp.....wasn't he? |
| daved | alonzo gee rocks man! |
| houndy | Alonzo Gee ie better for 5 mill less.. |
| juvenile404 | At the time I amnestied Miller so I wouldn't lost GM points going over the lux to re-sign Durant and my other players. I couldn't afford to wait to see if someone wanted to buy Miller for the same amount of points I would have lost to re0sign my guys. |
| darko | like his ticker says, he amnesty garcia to have enough cap to go after david west. smart move if it pays off. |
| vt | Of the three amnesties so far (Shard- ORL, Brad Miller- TOR and Garcia- ATL) only the shard one really made sense. Someone would have bought Miller for Gm pts, prolly and Garcia isn't bad...he could totally be a decent SG off the bench. |
| daved | he's not that bad a player - just needs some minutes in the nba |
| houndy | *aren't |
| houndy | well i amnestied, im very confident in the players i have and the contracts are really bad at all |
| forrest | I think waiving him was the right move, better to save the amnesty for a bigger contract. I bet someone will pick him up FA so he comes off your books. |
| houndy | I meant to amnesty crap |
| dazman32 | Clips won his services by 0.01 from Utah. |
| greenmig | the #better player factor was also a big decider here actually, made up for his poor winning record last season compared to okc. |
| darko | Come on random factor, daddy needs a new pair of shoes! |
| vt | Yeah- The random thing is good. Prevents some of the more sly GMs from calculating how many pts they need to put down. |
| leeroy | Got him thanks to the random factor.... Nice |
| dazman32 | Darko, you are going to clean up this free agency. |
| darko | David West is washed up too, better not try to sign him. ;) |
| vt | I guess not... |
| royal | why would i want to take on washed up Butler or battier if i'm rebuilding? |
| vt | If he can pick up Caron Butler or Battier for that SF slot, his team will look pretty decent. |
| vt | Hmmm...he now has Camby at PF and Diaw at SF. I thought the Z-bo deal was meant to free up the PF slot for Diaw. Not sure if I think this current configuration is a good idea. I would move Camby to C, Diaw to PF and Vucevic to the bench perhaps.... |
| royal | Camby is an expiring contract and nothing more, plus his contract this year is a bit smaller thant turk's, which gives us that much room to work with in FA. While Turk is a pretty good player in 2k, he has a terrible contract, which doesn't help if you're trying to rebuild. Also I wanted to get Davis Bertans (or Biedrins, but NYK didn't want to give Andris up) to make Latvian connection here in Detroit. |
| greenmig | hedo is a very good player in 2K as is Biedrins - makes sense for NY. |
| vt | Knowing Tim, he has something else up his sleeve.... |
| Mavs4Life | Not a good deal for either of you really. Hedo is getting older, and you give up Camby for Biedris to start and for Detroit Camby is getting older, but they already had Anthony Randolph and Boris Diaw. |
| dazman32 | Darko, you are going to clean up this free agency. |
| darko | David West is washed up too, better not try to sign him. ;) |
| vt | I guess not... |
| royal | why would i want to take on washed up Butler or battier if i'm rebuilding? |
| vt | If he can pick up Caron Butler or Battier for that SF slot, his team will look pretty decent. |
| vt | Hmmm...he now has Camby at PF and Diaw at SF. I thought the Z-bo deal was meant to free up the PF slot for Diaw. Not sure if I think this current configuration is a good idea. I would move Camby to C, Diaw to PF and Vucevic to the bench perhaps.... |
| royal | Camby is an expiring contract and nothing more, plus his contract this year is a bit smaller thant turk's, which gives us that much room to work with in FA. While Turk is a pretty good player in 2k, he has a terrible contract, which doesn't help if you're trying to rebuild. Also I wanted to get Davis Bertans (or Biedrins, but NYK didn't want to give Andris up) to make Latvian connection here in Detroit. |
| greenmig | hedo is a very good player in 2K as is Biedrins - makes sense for NY. |
| vt | Knowing Tim, he has something else up his sleeve.... |
| Mavs4Life | Not a good deal for either of you really. Hedo is getting older, and you give up Camby for Biedris to start and for Detroit Camby is getting older, but they already had Anthony Randolph and Boris Diaw. |
| sheed36 | Boyd Quicken Loans |
| alejandro | I would pay 5 GM points for a personalized Boyd dance |
| daved | he might make you dance for it |
| magritte | Yes - simple loan sharking. If things go poorly, badwolf may break my kneecaps! |
| badwolf | dert you're reading to much into it, it's a simple loan, OKC needs some quick cash to stay liquid (he was at 0 points and could get thrown out after resigning two or three required minimum guys) and i'm not a player in FA this year.. |
| badwolf | dert you're reading to much into it, it's a simple loan, OKC needs some quick cash to stay liquid (he was at 0 points and could get thrown out after resigning two or three required minimum guys) and i'm not a player in FA this year.. |
| darko | 4 players being traded to Milwaukee from OKC! more to come later... |
| alejandro | Wait is this part of another deal? That dude retired a decade or so ago. |
| dert | I cant wait what favor the bucks get from the league |
| dert | out of all the bullshit happenings in the offseason, this may top the list. |
| dunadan | Im curious who is going to fall victim to magrittes newly acquired 12 points. Smells like 4 player gonna get retraded :) |
| sheed36 | Boyd Quicken Loans |
| alejandro | I would pay 5 GM points for a personalized Boyd dance |
| daved | he might make you dance for it |
| magritte | Yes - simple loan sharking. If things go poorly, badwolf may break my kneecaps! |
| badwolf | dert you're reading to much into it, it's a simple loan, OKC needs some quick cash to stay liquid (he was at 0 points and could get thrown out after resigning two or three required minimum guys) and i'm not a player in FA this year.. |
| badwolf | dert you're reading to much into it, it's a simple loan, OKC needs some quick cash to stay liquid (he was at 0 points and could get thrown out after resigning two or three required minimum guys) and i'm not a player in FA this year.. |
| darko | 4 players being traded to Milwaukee from OKC! more to come later... |
| alejandro | Wait is this part of another deal? That dude retired a decade or so ago. |
| dert | I cant wait what favor the bucks get from the league |
| dert | out of all the bullshit happenings in the offseason, this may top the list. |
| dunadan | Im curious who is going to fall victim to magrittes newly acquired 12 points. Smells like 4 player gonna get retraded :) |
| darko | based on odoms stats so far this season (7pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 29% fg, 17% 3pt) i can see why he let him go. But i assume he will only get better once he fits in with dallas. Also his NLL ratings wont take a big dive. |
| nick | Not sure what CHA was thinking here. Another nice deal for ORL. His team is shaping up real nice. |
| daved | plenty of minimum piss-pots in there |
| greenmig | now you just need to find a few blokes who are willing to suit up for a carton of piss mate!! ;) |
| daved | fantastic work to build a real competative team!! ... having few players at least means the "other better players on the roster" thing doesn't count to heavily against you |
| laddas | i had a better trade which i preferred but unfortunately it never came to. im still hhappy with this though. the challenge now is to fill out the roster |
| greenmig | wow laddas, making things happen!! |
| vt | Now ORL has to get 5 players with $1 mil under cap and 21 gm pts. |
| darko | stop doing trades orlando, pretty soon your #1 pick is going to land in the 20s! LOL |
| Mavs4Life | Good deal for both teams. |
| darko | based on odoms stats so far this season (7pts, 5rebs, 1ast, 29% fg, 17% 3pt) i can see why he let him go. But i assume he will only get better once he fits in with dallas. Also his NLL ratings wont take a big dive. |
| nick | Not sure what CHA was thinking here. Another nice deal for ORL. His team is shaping up real nice. |
| daved | plenty of minimum piss-pots in there |
| greenmig | now you just need to find a few blokes who are willing to suit up for a carton of piss mate!! ;) |
| daved | fantastic work to build a real competative team!! ... having few players at least means the "other better players on the roster" thing doesn't count to heavily against you |
| laddas | i had a better trade which i preferred but unfortunately it never came to. im still hhappy with this though. the challenge now is to fill out the roster |
| greenmig | wow laddas, making things happen!! |
| vt | Now ORL has to get 5 players with $1 mil under cap and 21 gm pts. |
| darko | stop doing trades orlando, pretty soon your #1 pick is going to land in the 20s! LOL |
| Mavs4Life | Good deal for both teams. |
| nick | Thank you smokey for the sane commentary. |
| Mavs4Life | Yes sir lol |
| sheed36 | Boston... Do anything but trade Rubio |
| sheed36 | Nick just a cry baby lol |
| vt | lol "dunadan" |
| vt | @dundan- totally, totally true. |
| dunadan | mavs4life got the extra gm points from the previous gm, so he's got plenty to pay the luxtax from and more to boot |
| smokey | This is a fair trade so I don't see how it could have almost been rejected. Everyone knows the rules about the lux cap, and if this was a vet GM then there wouldn't have been any problem. going over the cap is just a little risk that BOS has taken, but I don't think he is too worried about that anyway!! |
| vt | I actually almost rejected the deal unless Nick gave some GM pts (like 2) to cover the lux hit. But he cried. And I can't stand to see a man cry. |
| badwolf | wow, landry has 9M deal? |
| dunadan | makes sense for both teams, since it fills their respective needs. but it puts boston over the luxury cap and landry could very well turn out to be a one year rental. the celtics are now also up there with okc and nj in terms of age. |
| smokey | Boston really round out their starting lineup with this trade... landry and bargnani will be a good combo along with Hill, Kobe, and Kidd. they also get rid of a guy worth 7 mil who would only be backing up Kobe. For Denver it gives them a good starting 2 guard, and with Ryan Anderson playing very well in the NBA the lineup looks solid as it always does in Denver. not a bad trade for either team! |
| greenmig | not a big fan of thornton. nice deal for boston. |
| nick | Thank you smokey for the sane commentary. |
| Mavs4Life | Yes sir lol |
| sheed36 | Boston... Do anything but trade Rubio |
| sheed36 | Nick just a cry baby lol |
| vt | lol "dunadan" |
| vt | @dundan- totally, totally true. |
| dunadan | mavs4life got the extra gm points from the previous gm, so he's got plenty to pay the luxtax from and more to boot |
| smokey | This is a fair trade so I don't see how it could have almost been rejected. Everyone knows the rules about the lux cap, and if this was a vet GM then there wouldn't have been any problem. going over the cap is just a little risk that BOS has taken, but I don't think he is too worried about that anyway!! |
| vt | I actually almost rejected the deal unless Nick gave some GM pts (like 2) to cover the lux hit. But he cried. And I can't stand to see a man cry. |
| badwolf | wow, landry has 9M deal? |
| dunadan | makes sense for both teams, since it fills their respective needs. but it puts boston over the luxury cap and landry could very well turn out to be a one year rental. the celtics are now also up there with okc and nj in terms of age. |
| smokey | Boston really round out their starting lineup with this trade... landry and bargnani will be a good combo along with Hill, Kobe, and Kidd. they also get rid of a guy worth 7 mil who would only be backing up Kobe. For Denver it gives them a good starting 2 guard, and with Ryan Anderson playing very well in the NBA the lineup looks solid as it always does in Denver. not a bad trade for either team! |
| greenmig | not a big fan of thornton. nice deal for boston. |
| forrest | from what I remember, I was ripped apart for trading Deron Williams for a similar deal that Williams was dealt for |
| vt | League doesn't need to approve, GM. Two vet GMs. I still think NYK wins out. |
| greenmig | yer on further thought this is an unbelievable steal for the magic. a hall of fame pg, the best in the game, superstar at 27yrs old for an unproven kid and a washed up big man. Wow, what a shocker. The Magic win hands down here. Unbelievable. I'm actually surprised the league approved this tbqh! |
| laddas | That's the idea nick lol. Look there are future considerations involved in this which was the deciding factor in the deal. IF D-Will is involved in a S&T then that'll hurt but that is the risk i have taken. I've read multiple reports from scouts saying Irving will never reach the level of the top pg's and i wanted to pair Gasol with a superstar. My team lacks depth yes, but i am working on that ;) |
| nick | I like the deal for Orlando. He got Deron Williams. Nuff said. It's like Orlando have completely shortcutted the rebuilding phase. |
| sheed36 | I meant *Its bad* |
| sheed36 | I think its back for both team... Irving will not be Deran Williams and Orlando will have a hard time to keep him for next year... |
| greenmig | deron williams is a superstar PG in his prime at 27yrs old. kyrie irving is a rookie pg with the nba/nll world at his feet. if you wanna win it all now, deron is the man to help you. |
| daved | its kinda like the reverse of how derson was acquired by NY - hehe - what did those 2 1st rounders to Sac turn into? .... I kinda don't mind it both ways, you can see something advantageous for each, but yeah risky for Orlando - they have to hope Deron is somehow straight up traded before he can opt out as happens alot (eg chris paul), then he can keep him forever |
| forrest | When a team gets a borderline superstar player that is young (Deron Williams) I don't think you can really give them a poor grade. What if in three years Camby is retired and Kyrie Irving is Mike Conley Jr? |
| forrest | When a team gets a borderline superstar player that is young (Deron Williams) I don't think you can really give them a poor grade. What if in three years Camby is retired and Kyrie Irving is Mike Conley Jr? |
| badwolf | if he would do a s&t, he might as well just sign directly with dallas, as the rumour says |
| houndy | Knicks got a nice deal for the future, and it looks like the Magic are wanting to go all the way |
| vt | He could use the "sign and trade" argument....meaning he will get SOMETHING...but we all know you never get equal value in these situations. |
| badwolf | very risky for Orlando. on one side, kyrie will never be as good as Deron is/was. On the other side, is this just a 1 season rental? |
| Mavs4Life | You make good points, but Camby is getting older and Kyrie has less experience. In long run, this could be big for NYK, but ORL gets an all-star PG in the moment. There roster still needs major help, though, but he says a decent amount of cap space. |
| vt | I think this is a fantastic deal for NYK. He gets a PG that is 8yrs younger, like $10mil cheaper and who is playing better right now in the NBA. Deron's situation is tenuous in NJ and people are talking about how he's "checked out." On top of it, he gets a quality big man to increase his depth. On the flip side, ORL is putting all his eggs in two baskets (Pau and Deron). One of them goes down and it's game over for that team. They also sacrifice a viable backup big who would help them on this win it all crusade. A trade for NY, D+ for ORL. |
| Mavs4Life | Hmmm... mixed feelings, but I think it works out for both teams. |
| forrest | from what I remember, I was ripped apart for trading Deron Williams for a similar deal that Williams was dealt for |
| vt | League doesn't need to approve, GM. Two vet GMs. I still think NYK wins out. |
| greenmig | yer on further thought this is an unbelievable steal for the magic. a hall of fame pg, the best in the game, superstar at 27yrs old for an unproven kid and a washed up big man. Wow, what a shocker. The Magic win hands down here. Unbelievable. I'm actually surprised the league approved this tbqh! |
| laddas | That's the idea nick lol. Look there are future considerations involved in this which was the deciding factor in the deal. IF D-Will is involved in a S&T then that'll hurt but that is the risk i have taken. I've read multiple reports from scouts saying Irving will never reach the level of the top pg's and i wanted to pair Gasol with a superstar. My team lacks depth yes, but i am working on that ;) |
| nick | I like the deal for Orlando. He got Deron Williams. Nuff said. It's like Orlando have completely shortcutted the rebuilding phase. |
| sheed36 | I meant *Its bad* |
| sheed36 | I think its back for both team... Irving will not be Deran Williams and Orlando will have a hard time to keep him for next year... |
| greenmig | deron williams is a superstar PG in his prime at 27yrs old. kyrie irving is a rookie pg with the nba/nll world at his feet. if you wanna win it all now, deron is the man to help you. |
| daved | its kinda like the reverse of how derson was acquired by NY - hehe - what did those 2 1st rounders to Sac turn into? .... I kinda don't mind it both ways, you can see something advantageous for each, but yeah risky for Orlando - they have to hope Deron is somehow straight up traded before he can opt out as happens alot (eg chris paul), then he can keep him forever |
| forrest | When a team gets a borderline superstar player that is young (Deron Williams) I don't think you can really give them a poor grade. What if in three years Camby is retired and Kyrie Irving is Mike Conley Jr? |
| forrest | When a team gets a borderline superstar player that is young (Deron Williams) I don't think you can really give them a poor grade. What if in three years Camby is retired and Kyrie Irving is Mike Conley Jr? |
| badwolf | if he would do a s&t, he might as well just sign directly with dallas, as the rumour says |
| houndy | Knicks got a nice deal for the future, and it looks like the Magic are wanting to go all the way |
| vt | He could use the "sign and trade" argument....meaning he will get SOMETHING...but we all know you never get equal value in these situations. |
| badwolf | very risky for Orlando. on one side, kyrie will never be as good as Deron is/was. On the other side, is this just a 1 season rental? |
| Mavs4Life | You make good points, but Camby is getting older and Kyrie has less experience. In long run, this could be big for NYK, but ORL gets an all-star PG in the moment. There roster still needs major help, though, but he says a decent amount of cap space. |
| vt | I think this is a fantastic deal for NYK. He gets a PG that is 8yrs younger, like $10mil cheaper and who is playing better right now in the NBA. Deron's situation is tenuous in NJ and people are talking about how he's "checked out." On top of it, he gets a quality big man to increase his depth. On the flip side, ORL is putting all his eggs in two baskets (Pau and Deron). One of them goes down and it's game over for that team. They also sacrifice a viable backup big who would help them on this win it all crusade. A trade for NY, D+ for ORL. |
| Mavs4Life | Hmmm... mixed feelings, but I think it works out for both teams. |
| vt | Yeah- you should have shopped him a little harder before settling on a deal. Soon you will be a hardened, old Gm and know the tricks! |
| pennywise | Miami was the only team to ask about him...I posted in my trading block he was going cheap.... |
| dazman32 | I too would have paid more than that for him |
| sheed36 | Couple year back he was 12... I think next year will be 1 |
| nick | If i had known Oden was going this cheap i would've given more GM pts than this too... |
| vt | You use it to get players when you are over the cap. You can use it in trades where you are not sending back players. Like if you were over the cap and wanted Oden, you could send picks and/or pts and use the TPE to obtain him. |
| darko | Wow, would have gave more than 3 points for him. :/ |
| tmacf13 | Clearly I don't know how it works haha |
| vt | No idea why MIA used his TPE on Oden when he had enough cap space to get him.... |
| vt | Yeah- you should have shopped him a little harder before settling on a deal. Soon you will be a hardened, old Gm and know the tricks! |
| pennywise | Miami was the only team to ask about him...I posted in my trading block he was going cheap.... |
| dazman32 | I too would have paid more than that for him |
| sheed36 | Couple year back he was 12... I think next year will be 1 |
| nick | If i had known Oden was going this cheap i would've given more GM pts than this too... |
| vt | You use it to get players when you are over the cap. You can use it in trades where you are not sending back players. Like if you were over the cap and wanted Oden, you could send picks and/or pts and use the TPE to obtain him. |
| darko | Wow, would have gave more than 3 points for him. :/ |
| tmacf13 | Clearly I don't know how it works haha |
| vt | No idea why MIA used his TPE on Oden when he had enough cap space to get him.... |
| badwolf | maybe, though he hasn't shown it yet. He might be a stud some day, but Gortat 2.0 is likelier outcome imo. Could surprise though.. |
| tmacf13 | Favors can become a really good offensive player. Emeka and Gortat will never be that. |
| badwolf | I'm not sold on favors. Even if he pans out, what do you expect? certainly not next Howard or Bynum, we know that by now. More like next Emeka or.... Gortat? And there's still a chance he will be a bust. i think Suns did a good job here. Portland has a really solid defense now, but I guess he really likes Favors. |
| houndy | nice deal for portland, got a nice young player with upside in Favors |
| alejandro | The positive for phoenix is that Udoh is already a good NLL player |
| greenmig | basically Favors for Gortat, I know who I'd prefer to have if I was rebuilding... |
| tmacf13 | I like the deal for Portland. Favors has the most upside here by far |
| badwolf | maybe, though he hasn't shown it yet. He might be a stud some day, but Gortat 2.0 is likelier outcome imo. Could surprise though.. |
| tmacf13 | Favors can become a really good offensive player. Emeka and Gortat will never be that. |
| badwolf | I'm not sold on favors. Even if he pans out, what do you expect? certainly not next Howard or Bynum, we know that by now. More like next Emeka or.... Gortat? And there's still a chance he will be a bust. i think Suns did a good job here. Portland has a really solid defense now, but I guess he really likes Favors. |
| houndy | nice deal for portland, got a nice young player with upside in Favors |
| alejandro | The positive for phoenix is that Udoh is already a good NLL player |
| greenmig | basically Favors for Gortat, I know who I'd prefer to have if I was rebuilding... |
| tmacf13 | I like the deal for Portland. Favors has the most upside here by far |
| nick | daye's value isn't THAT low... he could have a pretty good season this season.. |
| proid | But why spend 20+ pts on a guy that's going to be your 3rd stringer? |
| vt | Sorry..Sac offered 20..Chi offered 15 and his 2nd. |
| dazman32 | To be fair, i never offered 20. 15 was my highest. |
| greenmig | Fair enough |
| badwolf | GM points are for spending... I'm a bit surprised by his value too, he fell out of rotation in Detroit... haven't seen much of Pistons during his days, so I can't say much about him... |
| vt | If we overrided this deal, Greeny, he would have just gone to CHI or SAC for 20pts. So that is the correct value and why we let Utah have him for 22. |
| greenmig | This is ridiculous. The league should override a deal like this. |
| darko | So he is about half as good as Steve Blake? |
| Mavs4Life | For aguy that didn't start and only averaged 5 points a game, his value suprises me. |
| sheed36 | My god! Its looks like soccer when you buy players.. And if gm points were cash Philly would be Real Madrid. |
| forrest | true story |
| vt | Just some backstory, I had two other teams offering 20 GM points for Mr. Daye's services. |
| nick | daye's value isn't THAT low... he could have a pretty good season this season.. |
| proid | But why spend 20+ pts on a guy that's going to be your 3rd stringer? |
| vt | Sorry..Sac offered 20..Chi offered 15 and his 2nd. |
| dazman32 | To be fair, i never offered 20. 15 was my highest. |
| greenmig | Fair enough |
| badwolf | GM points are for spending... I'm a bit surprised by his value too, he fell out of rotation in Detroit... haven't seen much of Pistons during his days, so I can't say much about him... |
| vt | If we overrided this deal, Greeny, he would have just gone to CHI or SAC for 20pts. So that is the correct value and why we let Utah have him for 22. |
| greenmig | This is ridiculous. The league should override a deal like this. |
| darko | So he is about half as good as Steve Blake? |
| Mavs4Life | For aguy that didn't start and only averaged 5 points a game, his value suprises me. |
| sheed36 | My god! Its looks like soccer when you buy players.. And if gm points were cash Philly would be Real Madrid. |
| forrest | true story |
| vt | Just some backstory, I had two other teams offering 20 GM points for Mr. Daye's services. |
| smokey | If you take no notice of how many games he has played but go by his career stats!! 16PPG 11RPG... I'll take 3 thanks LOL |
| vt | Lol...can you consider this a bargain? |
| badwolf | "Zach Randolph to miss up to 8 weeks with knee ligament tear" |
| forrest | I think Jason Thompson has already hit his full potential, Anthony Randolph has barely touched his. |
| greenmig | "dirty deeds done dirt cheap" ;)!! although ZeBo almost blew his knee out yesterday....that would have been a shocker for OKC! |
| houndy | Wow, Boyd got a nice deal |
| vt | This deal isn't the best for Detroit. However, there are hidden benefits. He gets like $9mil in cap room and a TPE for almost $10mil. So if he plays his cards right, he gets A Randolph, Cole, Singler, the 2nds and then two players (hopefully good) for Z-Bo. We tried to get him to take Jason Thompson instead of A Randolph. He thinks A Randolph is better. I disagree. |
| badwolf | wow, very bad |
| darko | Bad move for Detroit. |
| badwolf | "Zach Randolph to miss up to 8 weeks with knee ligament tear" |
| forrest | I think Jason Thompson has already hit his full potential, Anthony Randolph has barely touched his. |
| greenmig | "dirty deeds done dirt cheap" ;)!! although ZeBo almost blew his knee out yesterday....that would have been a shocker for OKC! |
| houndy | Wow, Boyd got a nice deal |
| vt | This deal isn't the best for Detroit. However, there are hidden benefits. He gets like $9mil in cap room and a TPE for almost $10mil. So if he plays his cards right, he gets A Randolph, Cole, Singler, the 2nds and then two players (hopefully good) for Z-Bo. We tried to get him to take Jason Thompson instead of A Randolph. He thinks A Randolph is better. I disagree. |
| badwolf | wow, very bad |
| darko | Bad move for Detroit. |
| dunadan | in the light of this one, the randolph trade now makes more sense. they turned those second rounders into first-rounders and cleared their logjams at the point and power forward. and you might also argue that they received the best NLL player in the deal (no offense to TP and MC) |
| smokey | HAHAH melo refused to sign unless I traded Parker! he will resign in due course!! |
| Mavs4Life | He'ld be crazy to trade the MVP. |
| greenmig | nice one smokey but the question remains, why havent you re-signed MELO yet ?? Is there something you want to tell us :)? |
| Mavs4Life | I've got the oppisite, it works out a little for everyone. The 1st rounders won't be the highest, and Cleveland still has problems, no starting 2 guard, the bench. The Mavs get some good players, Hansbrough is a good player for the furture, along with Melo and Conley, Tony Allen can provide off the bench. I think it works out the best for the Mavs, even with giving up Parker. |
| smokey | I think definitely a good trade for all parties. Cleveland FINALLY gets a true PG which they have been trying to acquire for a while, Detroit, picks up Afflalo who will start, and 2 1st round picks, so definitely building for the future, and obviously this years draft is going to be pretty deep. I did initially want to keep my 1st pick, but settled on sending it away, as I think I get deeper as a team, and salary cap wise I am exaclty at the same position as I would have been with just Parker, except now I have 15 on the roster, not 12.. win for all teams in my opinion.. but of course i am going to be biased lol |
| greenmig | wow my 2nd rnder is sure picking up some frequent flyer miles!! On another note, this is a nice deal for all teams I think. Parker is a beast in 2K so the Cavs will benefit. For the Mavs this is a nice deal too - Hansbrough is a nice pickup and Conley could well be as good as Parker one day. Tony Allen not a bad pickup either. The Pistons now have more 1st rnders than the Bucks!! Now that is saying something lol. Looks like gm royal is building for the future - although he might rue the day he traded away Hansbrough. |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| tmacf13 | Wow... Blockbuster. Tough one to analyze |
| dunadan | in the light of this one, the randolph trade now makes more sense. they turned those second rounders into first-rounders and cleared their logjams at the point and power forward. and you might also argue that they received the best NLL player in the deal (no offense to TP and MC) |
| smokey | HAHAH melo refused to sign unless I traded Parker! he will resign in due course!! |
| Mavs4Life | He'ld be crazy to trade the MVP. |
| greenmig | nice one smokey but the question remains, why havent you re-signed MELO yet ?? Is there something you want to tell us :)? |
| Mavs4Life | I've got the oppisite, it works out a little for everyone. The 1st rounders won't be the highest, and Cleveland still has problems, no starting 2 guard, the bench. The Mavs get some good players, Hansbrough is a good player for the furture, along with Melo and Conley, Tony Allen can provide off the bench. I think it works out the best for the Mavs, even with giving up Parker. |
| smokey | I think definitely a good trade for all parties. Cleveland FINALLY gets a true PG which they have been trying to acquire for a while, Detroit, picks up Afflalo who will start, and 2 1st round picks, so definitely building for the future, and obviously this years draft is going to be pretty deep. I did initially want to keep my 1st pick, but settled on sending it away, as I think I get deeper as a team, and salary cap wise I am exaclty at the same position as I would have been with just Parker, except now I have 15 on the roster, not 12.. win for all teams in my opinion.. but of course i am going to be biased lol |
| greenmig | wow my 2nd rnder is sure picking up some frequent flyer miles!! On another note, this is a nice deal for all teams I think. Parker is a beast in 2K so the Cavs will benefit. For the Mavs this is a nice deal too - Hansbrough is a nice pickup and Conley could well be as good as Parker one day. Tony Allen not a bad pickup either. The Pistons now have more 1st rnders than the Bucks!! Now that is saying something lol. Looks like gm royal is building for the future - although he might rue the day he traded away Hansbrough. |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| tmacf13 | Wow... Blockbuster. Tough one to analyze |
| dunadan | in the light of this one, the randolph trade now makes more sense. they turned those second rounders into first-rounders and cleared their logjams at the point and power forward. and you might also argue that they received the best NLL player in the deal (no offense to TP and MC) |
| smokey | HAHAH melo refused to sign unless I traded Parker! he will resign in due course!! |
| Mavs4Life | He'ld be crazy to trade the MVP. |
| greenmig | nice one smokey but the question remains, why havent you re-signed MELO yet ?? Is there something you want to tell us :)? |
| Mavs4Life | I've got the oppisite, it works out a little for everyone. The 1st rounders won't be the highest, and Cleveland still has problems, no starting 2 guard, the bench. The Mavs get some good players, Hansbrough is a good player for the furture, along with Melo and Conley, Tony Allen can provide off the bench. I think it works out the best for the Mavs, even with giving up Parker. |
| smokey | I think definitely a good trade for all parties. Cleveland FINALLY gets a true PG which they have been trying to acquire for a while, Detroit, picks up Afflalo who will start, and 2 1st round picks, so definitely building for the future, and obviously this years draft is going to be pretty deep. I did initially want to keep my 1st pick, but settled on sending it away, as I think I get deeper as a team, and salary cap wise I am exaclty at the same position as I would have been with just Parker, except now I have 15 on the roster, not 12.. win for all teams in my opinion.. but of course i am going to be biased lol |
| greenmig | wow my 2nd rnder is sure picking up some frequent flyer miles!! On another note, this is a nice deal for all teams I think. Parker is a beast in 2K so the Cavs will benefit. For the Mavs this is a nice deal too - Hansbrough is a nice pickup and Conley could well be as good as Parker one day. Tony Allen not a bad pickup either. The Pistons now have more 1st rnders than the Bucks!! Now that is saying something lol. Looks like gm royal is building for the future - although he might rue the day he traded away Hansbrough. |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| houndy | I honestly thought Dallas would get a first rounder; they're losing one of their stars if you can say that. However, Conley and Hasbrough are very nice pickups |
| tmacf13 | Wow... Blockbuster. Tough one to analyze |
| greenmig | now that we have this cool trending feature...thought I would dredge this one out of the mire for a little bit more 'analysis' ;). I think in future overall talent wise and picks and 10gm pts Philly cleans up in this deal. If memory serves me correctly Wallace is a 2K monster - so if this continues the Nets have a big time 2K player in return as well as Nash. I initially thought Bos gave up a bit too much but if Hill and Kidd stay healthy this is a great duo for now, and Korver can really shoot the ball. But I think for future they lost out giving up Budinger and their 1st. |
| greenmig | now that we have this cool trending feature...thought I would dredge this one out of the mire for a little bit more 'analysis' ;). I think in future overall talent wise and picks and 10gm pts Philly cleans up in this deal. If memory serves me correctly Wallace is a 2K monster - so if this continues the Nets have a big time 2K player in return as well as Nash. I initially thought Bos gave up a bit too much but if Hill and Kidd stay healthy this is a great duo for now, and Korver can really shoot the ball. But I think for future they lost out giving up Budinger and their 1st. |
| greenmig | now that we have this cool trending feature...thought I would dredge this one out of the mire for a little bit more 'analysis' ;). I think in future overall talent wise and picks and 10gm pts Philly cleans up in this deal. If memory serves me correctly Wallace is a 2K monster - so if this continues the Nets have a big time 2K player in return as well as Nash. I initially thought Bos gave up a bit too much but if Hill and Kidd stay healthy this is a great duo for now, and Korver can really shoot the ball. But I think for future they lost out giving up Budinger and their 1st. |
| vt | I wouldn't call $5.6 mil for a starting C a bad contract. |
| badwolf | a bad contract and player like Frye for 4th pick in the draft? How is this a risk for GS? Great step 1 in rebuid... |
| houndy | If Valanciunas comes out big, big win for the Warriors. If not, a center can come anyday+Cap relief. I think the warriors got the up |
| Mavs4Life | Agreed, we still have to see what Jonas will do in the pros, but now the Rockets have picks and a big men. |
| vt | Big risk for both teams. GS is without a quality C now and HOU deals a guy who isn't playing but drafted in the Top 5. Immediate advantage to HOU, but I think may win out in the long run..... |
| vt | I wouldn't call $5.6 mil for a starting C a bad contract. |
| badwolf | a bad contract and player like Frye for 4th pick in the draft? How is this a risk for GS? Great step 1 in rebuid... |
| houndy | If Valanciunas comes out big, big win for the Warriors. If not, a center can come anyday+Cap relief. I think the warriors got the up |
| Mavs4Life | Agreed, we still have to see what Jonas will do in the pros, but now the Rockets have picks and a big men. |
| vt | Big risk for both teams. GS is without a quality C now and HOU deals a guy who isn't playing but drafted in the Top 5. Immediate advantage to HOU, but I think may win out in the long run..... |
| vt | yeah i shopped him to everyone. SA wins. We all lose. |
| greenmig | oh yer u did i just saw it. i guess cos i never knew who he was i took no notice, i was like 'jonas who?' haha |
| greenmig | jerebko - mate trying to catch up on the nba etc all the way over here on the other side of the world i had never even heard of him lol, let alone knowing you shopped him hard? did you make a trade talk post or send out a msg. i didnt see those if you did. ;) |
| badwolf | the way he plays now... I'm sure i'd throw in a second ;) |
| vt | Eh- you would have offered only crap like Mike Miller and Mags. :) |
| badwolf | yeah, we're all very sorry right now :D |
| vt | For Jerebko? I shopped him hard. No one wanted him. I came to SA. The original deal was Bibby instead of those 10pts. But then I decided to keep Barea and asked for points instead. Oh well. Mahinmi may turn out to make the deal worthwhile. |
| badwolf | I wish i put on a stronger bid (bradley and 2nd right?).. i'm surprised noone wanted to give more for him... |
| vt | He was a 2nd rounder two yrs ago. Had a great rookie year then missed his sophomore year with a torn Achilles. Wish I could have kept him (and Wallace) but cap issues forced my hand. |
| greenmig | mahinmi is a monster. i noticed this in his brief stints off the bench last yr. i just saw jonas for the 1st time the other day & im very impressed - where did he appear from? |
| leeroy | no one is questioning Jonas, mate...... just saying Mahinmi isn't as bad as you made out |
| vt | Lol- take a look at Jonas' stats, mate. |
| leeroy | Told you mahinmi was up for a big year and you refused to believe!!! :) |
| vt | Man...SA got good value in Jerebko. But is Mahinmi the dark horse in this deal?! |
| vt | yeah i shopped him to everyone. SA wins. We all lose. |
| greenmig | oh yer u did i just saw it. i guess cos i never knew who he was i took no notice, i was like 'jonas who?' haha |
| greenmig | jerebko - mate trying to catch up on the nba etc all the way over here on the other side of the world i had never even heard of him lol, let alone knowing you shopped him hard? did you make a trade talk post or send out a msg. i didnt see those if you did. ;) |
| badwolf | the way he plays now... I'm sure i'd throw in a second ;) |
| vt | Eh- you would have offered only crap like Mike Miller and Mags. :) |
| badwolf | yeah, we're all very sorry right now :D |
| vt | For Jerebko? I shopped him hard. No one wanted him. I came to SA. The original deal was Bibby instead of those 10pts. But then I decided to keep Barea and asked for points instead. Oh well. Mahinmi may turn out to make the deal worthwhile. |
| badwolf | I wish i put on a stronger bid (bradley and 2nd right?).. i'm surprised noone wanted to give more for him... |
| vt | He was a 2nd rounder two yrs ago. Had a great rookie year then missed his sophomore year with a torn Achilles. Wish I could have kept him (and Wallace) but cap issues forced my hand. |
| greenmig | mahinmi is a monster. i noticed this in his brief stints off the bench last yr. i just saw jonas for the 1st time the other day & im very impressed - where did he appear from? |
| leeroy | no one is questioning Jonas, mate...... just saying Mahinmi isn't as bad as you made out |
| vt | Lol- take a look at Jonas' stats, mate. |
| leeroy | Told you mahinmi was up for a big year and you refused to believe!!! :) |
| vt | Man...SA got good value in Jerebko. But is Mahinmi the dark horse in this deal?! |
| darko | It is cool. Could be a little taller though, or the width of the page so its easier to scroll through. |
| vt | Cool...the TRENDING section is working. This shows deals that people have commented on. |
| darko | Thunder agreed to our deal too soon, had to trade back so he could do a different deal, then accept mine again. So he just messed up in the order he was going to accept deals. |
| badwolf | can someone explain what's with all these trades? |
| darko | It is cool. Could be a little taller though, or the width of the page so its easier to scroll through. |
| vt | Cool...the TRENDING section is working. This shows deals that people have commented on. |
| darko | Thunder agreed to our deal too soon, had to trade back so he could do a different deal, then accept mine again. So he just messed up in the order he was going to accept deals. |
| badwolf | can someone explain what's with all these trades? |
| badwolf | well, Perk's got injury issuses also and they also give a lot on talent and potential. I think it's a solid deal for both teams. Raptors had to deal Bynum as they had 3 near max contracts and that's hard to afford. Kings got the best player in the deal, but his problems are now in forrest's care to. |
| vt | Great, great deal for the Raps. They get a center for less money (and one who plays more) and a starting SG. |
| badwolf | well, Perk's got injury issuses also and they also give a lot on talent and potential. I think it's a solid deal for both teams. Raptors had to deal Bynum as they had 3 near max contracts and that's hard to afford. Kings got the best player in the deal, but his problems are now in forrest's care to. |
| vt | Great, great deal for the Raps. They get a center for less money (and one who plays more) and a starting SG. |
| sheed36 | Arron Afflalo ready for more 5 years as Cavs Point Guard lol |
| houndy | Spurs got some nice players |
| darko | Wow thats a lot of talent for Dirk! Nice deal for the Spurs. |
| houndy | Spurs got some nice players |
| darko | Wow thats a lot of talent for Dirk! Nice deal for the Spurs. |
| Mavs4Life | Looooow. Don't do it Dert, trade him!!!! |
| vt | Wow!Dert's commitment to bad players just reached a new high (or low?)... |
| badwolf | is this official?m I read somewhere he's not decided yet... |
| dunadan | wasn't there some concern about his knees/health before he was even drafted? |
| vt | Like I told Javi, better retired than $15mil sitting on the IR, right? |
| laddas | yep! Very talented player! 27 years old and done. Gotta feel for the Blazers, Oden will probably have to retire in the near future also. |
| nick | An absolute tragedy. |
| nick | Cool feature! |
| dunadan | Trades can now also be discussed here instead of the forum... |
| darko | Say it aint so big Z! |
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